Well, now that you ask, since Eve was like a beautiful fruit, "ripe for the plucking," as it were, more than likely Adam was all too happy to eat her...ahem...you know what.
Rapunzel
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Secret of Forgiveness of Sins
by brofromzion inis god a loving god?
does he enjoy seeing his children in pain?
sorrow?
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On page 250 of Myths to Live By, Campbell quotes Walt Whitman's Leaves of Grass, (1855 edition, section 48, lines 1262 - 1280) - "What is, or what is to be, the new mythology? Since myth is of the order ofpoetry, let us ask first a poet: Walt Whitman, for example in his Leaves of Grass (1855) -
I have said that the soul is not more than the body,
And I have said that the body is not more than the soul,
And nothing, not God, is greater to one than one's-self is,
And whoever walks a furlong without sympathy walks to his own funeral, dressed in a shroud,
And I or you pocketless of a dime may purchase the pick of the earth,
And to glance with an eye or show a bean in its pod confounds the learning of all times...
And I call to mankind, Be not curious about God,
For I who am curious about each am not curious about God,
No array of terms can say how much I am peace about God and about death.
I hear and behold God in every object, yet I understand God not in the least,
Nor do I understand who there can be more wonderful than myself.
Why would I wish to see God better than this day?
I see something of God each hour of the twenty-four, and each moment then,
In the faces of men and women I see God, and in my own face in the glass;
I find letters from God dropped in the street, and every one is signed by God's name,
And I leave them where they are, for I know that others will punctually come forever and ever.
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Apply PHILOSOPHY to the argument of the TRINITY
by Terry inthe trinity doctrine is a conceptual classification.
it is not a thing itself.
we don't bump into a trinity in everyday life.
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BTS - Lovely typography. I know that there is a sort of poetry in which the poet writes verses so that the words employed in the poem appear on the page as pictorial images somehow connected to the idea expressed in the poem. I wonder: Is the term calligrams? Anyway, whatever it's called, yours is a beautiful example. Of course, I realize that the text that you quote was not intended to be a poem.
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Apply PHILOSOPHY to the argument of the TRINITY
by Terry inthe trinity doctrine is a conceptual classification.
it is not a thing itself.
we don't bump into a trinity in everyday life.
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Interestingly enough, I was just reading about the recent trend of using alternate wording in the baptismal rites of certain Roman Catholic churches. It seems that certain North American churches tried to avoid referring to the Trinity with masculine terms.
Tradionally, all baptisms were performed "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." In an effort to avoid such "phallocentric" terminology, certain "progressive" elelments within the Church used the phrasing "in the name of the Creator, and of the Redeemer, and of the Sanctifier," or "in the name of the Creator, Liberator, and Sustainer."
When asked if baptisms using such phraseology were valid, the Vatcan's Congregtion for the Doctrine of the Faith responded in the negative - no, such baptisms were invalid. All baptisms using alternate wording would have to be redone.
I think that this point reinforces the point that I made in my earlier post. The only way to apply philosophy to the concept of the Trinity is to study the Trinity as a historical "entity" which has evolved over time.
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Apply PHILOSOPHY to the argument of the TRINITY
by Terry inthe trinity doctrine is a conceptual classification.
it is not a thing itself.
we don't bump into a trinity in everyday life.
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BTS - I think that Terry may have been employing irony with his statement that we may begin our questions at this point. "Hubris" is a rather strong word, don't you think?
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Apply PHILOSOPHY to the argument of the TRINITY
by Terry inthe trinity doctrine is a conceptual classification.
it is not a thing itself.
we don't bump into a trinity in everyday life.
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Terry - You are obviously a very intelligent person who expresses himself with astonishing clarity.
Having said that, I must respectfully inquire as to what point there might be in applying philosophy to the concept of the Trinity. It's like applying philosophy to the concept of God because, after all, for many people the concept of "God" and the concept of the "Trinity" are one in the same; for many people, the Christian concept of God is the Trinity, and the Trinity is the Christian concept of God.
In my mind, it is pointless to apply philosophy to the concept of the Trinity, as it is pointless to apply philosophy to the concept of God.
However, it may well be possible to apply philosophy to the concept of religion because, whereas there is absolutely no proof for the existrence of God, there can be no denying the existence of religion. I believe that it is possible to apply philosophy to the historical conception of the Trinity. One could approach the concept in its diachronic aspect [its development throughout history]. One could study its origins, its possibly pre-Christian origins. One could study the resistance with which the doctrine was met, for example among Moslems and Jews. One can also study how the Trinity doctrine was rejected by various groups within the Christian churches.
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More Evidence that Jehovah Is a Tyrant
by WTWizard ini have observed that jehovah god is far from the loving father he portrays himself to be.
stifling my sex drive, and then exploiting it by using it to get me into a cult, hardly qualifies god as being loving.
and neither does continuing to stifle the sex drive after i am trying to leave the cult and quite likely using the hounders to reclaim me as their slave.. i found another web site that any theist should urgently look up before looking into any religion, whether jehovah's witnesses or any other "christian" or islam religion.
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OBVES - Legalchickie asked you a question. Can't you see it as matter of common courtesy to answer her? Or are you too crass and cowardly do so? Her question is a very valid one. She asked you if you have any children. If you do have children, would you stand by idly doing nothing if you saw them in danger? If you saw someone else harming or abusing you children, would you remain passive and indifferent? Imagine a situation where you saw any child (not your own) who was in imminent and immediate danger. What would you do in that case?
I would ask you to kindly respond to these questions. And, when (if) you do so, plase do it in a thoughtful manner, that is to say in good faith, not in the manner of a mindless parrot which simply spews out inane scriptural passages.
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Secret of Forgiveness of Sins
by brofromzion inis god a loving god?
does he enjoy seeing his children in pain?
sorrow?
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Bro - from - Zion: If I may, I'd like to present an alternative viewpoint, one which posits that the provenance of man's "spirit" is not heaven, but, rather, the earth.
The following is a quote from Joseph Campbell's MythsTo Live By - "The residence of the spirit now is experienced as centered, not in fire, in the animal and plant worlds, or aloft among the planets and beyond, but in men right here on earth: the earth and its population [...] My friend Alan Watts in a lecture once proposed an amusing image to replace the old one (now longer tenable) of man as a Heaven-sent stranger in this world, who, when the mortal coil of his body will have been cast away in death, is to soar in spirit to his proper source and home with God in Heaven. 'The truth of the matter,' Dr. Watts proposed to his audience, 'is that you didn't come into this world at all. You came out of it, in just the same way that a leaf comes out of a tree or a baby from a womb...Just as Jesus said that one doesn't gather figs from thistles or grapes from thorns, so also you don't gather people from a world that isn't peopling. Our world is peopling, just as the apple tree apples, and just as the vine grapes.' We are a natural product of the earth, that is to say; and, as Dr. Watts observed in that same talk, if we are intelligent beings, it must be that we are the fruits of an intelligent earth, symptomatic of an intelligent energy system; for 'one doesn't gather grapes from thorns.'"
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Judge Rutherford's Air Conditioning at Bethel
by VM44 ini recall reading long ago (so long ago i don't recall where) that someone asked judge rutherford why his office at bethel, brooklyn had an air conditioning unit while the workers in the printing factory below had to work in the heat.. rutherford's answer was that the air conditioning unit was a gift!.
does anyone also recall reading this?.
wouldn't rutherford feel a little guilty about enjoying cool air while the people downstairs were working all day under hot and humid conditions?.
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Air conditioning was first patented in 1906. At first, it was used only for industrial purposes to cool products such as textiles, meat, and medicinal capsules. It was first used for human comfort in 1924 by department stores and movie theaters. In Rutherford's day, I would imagine that air conditioning was a prohibitively expensive luxury. It must have cost "an arm and a leg" to install it and run it.
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What To Think Of Mr. Scott McClellan?
by Rapunzel inmcclellan has recently published a book that is highly critical of bush and his administration.
mcclellan's book has understandably created a furor within the current presidential administration, an administration that has valued loyalty above all else.. mcclellan was a long-time bush loyalist, he started working for bush when bush was still govenor of texas.
mcclellan helped bush to enter the white house, and then followed bush to washington mcclellan became a spokesman for bush, defending the president on such issues as the war in iraq.
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I thank everyone for their replies.
Heathen, I agree that "questions will be asked." Let's hope that they are the correct ones. Have you ever heard of an author named Thomas Pynchon? He wrote Gravity's Rainbow and The Crying of Lot 49. In any case, your post reminded me of a quote by Pynchon: "If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers," This quote sounds glib and trite, but, in my opinion, it is quite profound; and it explains - in stark terms - much of what is wrong with contemporary American society, This quote offers an insight into the crux of the issue.
Jwblog - You ask me if I think that democracy is a "righteous" rule. Well, it all depends. There is certainly much that is shamefully unrighteous in American democracy today, but this is nothing new. After all, Thomas Jefferson was a slave owner. I do believe in the ideas and ideals of the Enlightenment. And I believe in the principles of democracy. Unfortunately, nothing lasts forever. If you read history, you'll see that all democracies and republics eventually collapse. I read somewhere that, paradoxically, all democracies and republics contain within themselves the "germ" - the seed - of their own destruction. But I believe that, up until now, democracy is the best possible option to have been conceived as a form of government and governing.
As for merchants [and bartenders] selling alcohol to those already intoxicated, of course they should not do it. In my state, the liqour-store owner or bartender can be held legally liable. But I really don't see that as an indictment of democracy. It's more a matter of ethics and common sense.
From reading a few of your posts, I think that I know where "you are going with this." Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me that you are waiting for a theocracy to be established. In respone, I want to share a quote by Joseph Campbell with you. It's from his book, Myths to Live By - "The second function of a living mythology [a properly operating mythology] is to offer an image of the universe that will be in accord with the knowledge of the time, the sciences and fields of action of the folk to whom the mythology is addressed. In our day, of course, the world pictures of all the major religions are at least two thousand years out of date...If...you wonder why the churches are losing their congregations, one large part of the answer surely is right here. They are inviting their flocks to enter and to find peace in a browsing-ground that never was, never will be, and in any case is surely not that of any corner of the world today. Such a mythological offering is a sure pill for at least a mild schizophrenia.
The third function of a living mythology is to validate, support, and imprint the norms of a given, specific moral order, that, namely, of the society in which the individual is to live. And the fourth is to guide him, stage by stage, in health, strength, and harmony of spirit, through the whole forseeable course of a human life."