although this is my first post under the name journey edge, i have been a member of the board for a few years now.
i just needed to change my identity to avoid being traced.
i left the truth a number of years ago after 20 years in the faith.
Jgnat said...take some practical steps towards independence. Each step you take will help you get (emotionally) ready to leave. As your courage asserts itself, you will find your way.
You have to leave. You are already 10 years too late and you may very well end up becoming a statistic. There is help for victims of pedophilia and mental and physical abuse. You do not have to stay in this situation. Break free for the sake of your health and your children. I beg you!
jehovah's witnesses, if it was proved to you beyond a shadow of a doubt that you have been lied to, would you care?
deny it?
make excuses for it?
Are lurkers allowed? You may get a lot of people interested in the conversation but who won't want to talk.
thought i would share this chat with you from the watchtower comments channel.. message from biblestudentsteve:.
nice production.
very slick.
If witnesses did their research they would realize that Jesus' message to preach about the Kingdom was based on repentance on the basis of faith in Jesus and his sacrifice. The following scriptures verify that:
So they don't even know what they are preaching about. They instead have their own take on what the kingdom is and throw in the FDS for good measure. They are such dummies and to think I believed their and nonsense!
this post has gotten quite long so i decided to break it up into at least two sections.
i hope it doesnt come across as rambling.
i should start with a confession: it was my smurf that walked out of the kingdom hall in the early 80's.
Welcome Galileo!
You write extremely well and I'm waiting with bated breath to read part 2.
All the best!
Einstein
for me, it was not being able to prove that people were going to be resurrected to earth... i'm still not sure of the answer, but for some reason that just started this huge, fast snowball of different things that i couldn't prove... .
this lightbulb just went off in my head... .
I could not accept the WT claim that the remaining annointed of the 144,000 are only JW's in 'this time of the end'. I thought to myself "is this one big scam?"
In fact my question still is what makes these people annointed? Is it because of the 1935 date or that they have an out of body experience? Is it one big lie? What didn't help to answer this perplexing question was the failed prophecies and the "new" members of the annointed and also that lame nephilim story. Bogus, bogus bogus!
new york times.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/30/nyregion/30hotel.html?_r=1&ref=nyregion&oref=slogin.
hotel where dodgers celebrated a title is up for sale .
Thanks for today's belly-laugh. "The members have a right to know" - priceless!
Sir82,
I'm so glad I made your day. I guess those questions do sound a bit naive huh? LOL!
On a more serious note though, the actions of the WTO are going to end up exposing them for what and who they really are despite their claims of authority. It's only a matter of time which is why so many newbies are lurking and joining JWD. (IMHO)
...and stop laughing at me!
new york times.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/30/nyregion/30hotel.html?_r=1&ref=nyregion&oref=slogin.
hotel where dodgers celebrated a title is up for sale .
Do they ever announce this type of information to the Congregations or at least to the workers in Bethel? Why should it appear in a newspaper article first? The members have a right to know everything that they do with that money. Is there a public report available to Witnesses on the financial status of the WTO? Or are we supposed to "trust" their business acumen? How does it all work?
Einstein
i had the sneaky suspicion the girl in the picture below was a dub.
she had never drank, smoked or watched a rated r movie.
she was married at a young age and just seemed too wholesome.
Just remember, witnesses aren't the only people who are considered wholesome and innocent. In fact a lot of them aren't and they definitely watch R-rated movies!
i've been warned.
i keep saying little things to my husband, and he clearly won't budge any more then he already has.
i just want him to see the truth.
Cognac,
I believe the best advice that you have received on this topic has been from Velta and Mouthy. I have noticed that JW's have a hard time converting from the brainwashing of never feeling worthy enough. Especially those that were raised in the truth. As a result there is serious and very damaging cult control over their minds.
If you were to read the bible without the assistance of the WT you will find the truth. The theme of the bible is Jesus Christ. Read from that perspective and not from the perspective of the Kingdom. Even though there is truth to that, the Kingdom is directly connected to Jesus Christ. The WT uses the word "Kingdom" to connect it to the faithful and discreet slave. That mind control has had a debilitating effect on witnesses and it is sad to watch. I really feel sorry for your hubby because he will always feel unworthy unless he changes his perspective about the WT. Unworthiness is a terrible, terrible feeling and one that is not encouraged by the scriptures.
Did you know that when Adam and Eve were covered by animal clothing after they had sinned in the garden of Eden that it was symbolic of Jesus Christ's future sacrifice? In order to be covered by animal clothing there had to have been a sacrifice of an animal. That was a beautiful illustration of the love that Jehovah and Jesus have for mankind and now when I read the bible I think of the loving sacrifice that Jesus made and I am very, very grateful.
Take Velta and Mouthy's advice. Don't worry about whether you're going to leave or not right now. Forget about the stupid WT and find your own truth. I still go to the meetings although occasionally (twice a week, sometimes less) and still report (fake) time. But it is so liberating to know the "real" truth. So I just sit back and observe, confident in the fact that the WT is a huge lie that will eventually be exposed. There are tons of scriptures that are taken out of context to support a point and when the blinders are off you really see it.
One time a brother who was an MS had a talk and there was this one scripture (that I can't remember now) that focused on Jesus Christ. He only focused on the "a" part of the scripture and I showed it to my husband who in turn asked the brother. He said he would get back to him and of course never did because he couldn't explain it! Research is based on the WT publications so witnesses feel that the information is automatically correct. It is NOT! I am strongly convinced because I prayed in earnest about it and found my answers.
Share these facts with your husband and then hopefully he will start to feel a lot better about himself.
Sincerely,
Einstein
P.S. Whatever you do, do NOT go to the elders. Remember they have no authority over you unless you give it to them.
next weekend, the first lady of watchtower comments returns to the podium.... .
I wondered what had happened! This is good news because I like to use her comments to "prepare" for the WT study especially since I don't go on a regular basis. On the odd occasion I do attend though my mind is protected from the brainwashing.
Thanks,
Einstein
