Yes. It was always said that Jesus was enthroned in October 1914, and THEN he started war in heaven. AFTER some time, Jesus won this war and cast Satan out of heaven to earth. And THEN Satan made the people start the first world war - which started in August 1914.
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Satan thrown to earth "about" 1914?
by wearewatchingyouman inso i'm thumbing through the new "silver sword" and i notice that in the appendix under "message of the bible" that it says, "about 1914 jesus hurls the serpent satan to the earth...." i can't remeber ever hearing the word "about" and 1914 placed together before in regards to this event.
are there any jwapologists, or anyone else for that matter, who have an explanation for this?.
http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/appendix-b/message-of-the-bible/.
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New online archive with older Watchtower writings
by processor inlots of older watchtower and watchtower-related publications can be found here now:.
http://wtarchive.kilu.de.
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I added a number of new files in English (Everybody’s Paper, Bible Students Monthly, The Broadcaster, few Consolation and Awake! issues, few books) to http://wtarchive.svhelden.info.
Also converted all files to a newer PDF version so that file size decreased by 40 % on average. Please note that Adobe Reader X (10.0) or later is required now to open these files.
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"The Bible Students Monthly" - when published?
by processor ini added the bible students monthly issues that atlantis once had provided to my watchtower archive page.
now, i wondered when exactly these issues have been published - they all mention only a "volume" and "number", but never a year.. the publisher book mentions that "late in december 1917 and early in 1918, they distributed 10,000,000 copies of the issue of the bible students monthly that featured the subject 'the fall of babylon'" - which was volume 9 number 9. in another chapter, the book mentions "the bible students monthly (volume vi, no.
1, published early in 1914).
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Just noticed that "Everybody's Paper" volume 4 number 4 mentions the Titanic incident and Pastor Russell's speech about it "in April", so it must be from 1912 (accordingly volume I would be from 1909).
And I found an issue of The Bible Students Monthly that says "Peoples Pulpit" in the page heading of pages 2 to 4.
Looks like all three tracts were published at the same time, with "volume I" always referring to 1909, and the WTS writers simply don't know their history as exactly as we apostates do ...
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"The Bible Students Monthly" - when published?
by processor ini added the bible students monthly issues that atlantis once had provided to my watchtower archive page.
now, i wondered when exactly these issues have been published - they all mention only a "volume" and "number", but never a year.. the publisher book mentions that "late in december 1917 and early in 1918, they distributed 10,000,000 copies of the issue of the bible students monthly that featured the subject 'the fall of babylon'" - which was volume 9 number 9. in another chapter, the book mentions "the bible students monthly (volume vi, no.
1, published early in 1914).
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I added the Bible Students Monthly issues that Atlantis once had provided to my Watchtower Archive page. Now, I wondered when exactly these issues have been published - they all mention only a "volume" and "number", but never a year.
The Publisher book mentions that "late in December 1917 and early in 1918, they distributed 10,000,000 copies of the issue of The Bible Students Monthly that featured the subject 'The Fall of Babylon'" - which was volume 9 number 9. In another chapter, the book mentions "The Bible Students Monthly (Volume VI, No. 1, published early in 1914)." From these statements, it seems evident that volume I had been published in 1909.
But the March 1, 1955 Watchtower makes a contradicting statement on page 141:
From 1909 onward a monthly tract—first called “Peoples Pulpit,” then “Everybody’s Paper,” and still later, “The Bible Students Monthly”—was widely distributed
This sentence seems to indicate that the tract was FIRST called "Peoples Pulpit", LATER "Everybody's Paper", and EVEN LATER "The Bible Students Monthly". It seems to be wrong, since I have 5 volumes of "Everybody's Paper" alone - and I found issues of "The Bible Students Monthly" urging people to ask for a copy for "Peoples Pulpit". Looks like these tracts were published simultaneously, not one after the other.
Finally, Our Kingdom Ministry 10/1976 makes another contradicting statement:
It reminded me of the first service I had the privilege of doing in 1906 when we put out The Bible Students Monthly from door to door.
This obviously can't be true if the first issue was published in 1909.
So, what's your opinion? First issue published in 1909, and the statements in Watchtower and Kingdom Ministry are simply wrong?
And another question: I found two Canadian issues of The Bible Students Monthly labelled "volume 20". These would be from 1928 then. Is this true, or have they simply skipped volumes 11 to 19?
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Who are God's Executional Forces today? (by The Witchtower)
by processor inhttp://www.svhelden.info/witchtower/2013/11/who-are-gods-executional-forces-today/.
who are gods executional forces today?reprint from the witchtower, october 2010. gods executional forces strike without regard to age or sex.
for god instructs them to show no mercy.
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I'm not in Brooklyn, but ... tempting idea ...
Btw, there is a similar concept in this article: The 'Final Part of the Days' for the Watch Tower Society
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THE ALTERNATIVE DAILY TEXT by The Witchtower editor
by processor ini have published more than 200 'daily text' comments in german, and will now start translating those into english.
they will be published here:.
http://dailytext2.wordpress.com/.
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http://dailytext2.wordpress.com/2013/11/02/the-cattle-and-the-donkeys/
“The cattle and the donkeys … that work the ground will eat fodder seasoned with sorrel” – Isaiah 30:34
God promised to provide “fodder seasoned with sorrel” to the animals. Was this really “tasty fodder reserved for rare occasions” as some people claim? (Isaiah’s Prophecy – Light for all Mankind, volume I, page 311). Sorrel might be tasty, but there are many reports that “the plant caused toxicity in sheep and cattle.” (Pet Poison Helpline) The ingestion of sorrel “can result in poisoning” because “soluble calcium oxalates are present in varying degrees in all parts of the plant … Acute renal failure can be seen from ingestion of plants or fruit containing these soluble oxalate crystals. Clinical signs of this type of poisoning include drooling, inappetance, vomiting, diarrhea, lethargy, weakness, tremors, bloody urine, and changes in thirst and urination.” (Canadian Biodiversity Information Facility) “Sorrel … can lead to death.” – Diet Health Club.
Actually the prophecy says that God will provide toxic food to the animals which can lead to diseases and death. The Bible was written for humans, not for animals though – accordingly Isaiah’s prophecy must have a symbolic meaning. The prophecy had been directed to the nation of Israel, God’s people – hence the antitypical ‘cattle and donkeys’ must be God’s servants of our day. Just as animals “work the ground” for sowing literal seed, Jehovah’s Witnesses “work their territory ” for “sowing Kingdom seed.” –Our Kingdom Ministry, September 1989, page 3; December 1993, page 7.
Today “Jehovah provides spiritual food,” and this food is contaminated with poison, with spiritual sorrel. (The Watchtower, November 15, 1999, page 18) That is why many Jehovah’s Witnesses have spiritual indigestion when ingesting large quantities of spiritual food during the Watchtower Study. Spiritual diarrhea often occurs In field service or when meeting relatives. With regard to family and work life, Jehovah’s witnesses have to cope with lethargy and weakness. Some even die, literally as well as in a spiritual sense.
Therefore some Jews realized more than 2000 years ago: “The table of Jehovah is polluted.” (Malachi 1:12) Hence “the question all of us face is, At which table am I feeding?” – The Watchtower, July 1, 1994, page 9.
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Who are God's Executional Forces today? (by The Witchtower)
by processor inhttp://www.svhelden.info/witchtower/2013/11/who-are-gods-executional-forces-today/.
who are gods executional forces today?reprint from the witchtower, october 2010. gods executional forces strike without regard to age or sex.
for god instructs them to show no mercy.
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http://www.svhelden.info/witchtower/2013/11/who-are-gods-executional-forces-today/
Who Are God’s Executional Forces Today?
Reprint from The Witchtower, October 2010
“God’s executional forces strike without regard to age or sex. For God instructs them to show no mercy.” – The Watchtower, February 1, 1985, page 4
The prophet Ezekiel foretold a great “slaughter” or “destructive work” that would be conducted in our day. (The Watchtower, January 15, 1971, page 52; November 1, 1972, page 660). In “a vision that is fulfilled during our time … God’s executional forces are pictured … by six armed men.” (The Watchtower, April 15, 1987, page 11) Who are these “executional forces” today, and for how long have they executed their “destructive work?” The book The Finished Mystery explains the prophecy as follows:
“Ezekiel 9:2. And, behold, six men came from the way of the higher gate, which lieth toward the North, and every man a slaughter weapon in his hand; and one man among them was clothed with linen, with a writer’s inkhorn by his side: and they went in, and stood beside the brazen altar. … The writer’s inkhorn symbolizes that the seventh man’s function was to write. God identified him thus: When The Watch Tower Bible And Tract Society was at Allegheny, Pa., an open Bible was to be painted on one of the large front windows of the office. A sign painter, not in the Truth, painted the open Bible; and without instruction from any one, of his own volition, he painted the Bible as open at Ezekiel, Chapter 9. The man of linen was the Laodicean servant, the Lord’s faithful and wise steward, Pastor Russell. When Pastor Russell saw this, he turned pale. Ezekiel seeing the man in linen, types Pastor Russell thereafter seeing himself to be the antitype of that man – one of the most prolific writers of the Age.” – pages 417, 418.
So it is evident that the “man of linen” was Charles Taze Russell, the first official president of the Watch Tower Society. He diligently completed the task that God had assigned to him:
“Ezekiel 9:4. And the Lord said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof. … Hither and thither, traveling and preaching for nearly forty years Pastor Russell obeyed this command; and through the printed page of books, tracts and newspapers he went into every corner of the world. … Ezekiel 9:11. And, behold, the man clothed with linen, which had the inkhorn by His side, reported the matter, saying, I have done as Thou hast commanded me. – Pastor Russell was faithful to his great task of writing and publishing the Truth … In October, 1916, he died, and beyond the veil has, ere this, undoubtedly, reported in the presence of Christ that he has done the work he was given to do.” – The Finished Mystery, pages 418, 420.
But “it was not the linen-clad man that did the destructive work. It was the ‘six men’ with weapons.” (The Watchtower, November 1, 1972, page 660) “The six with the Sword … symbolize all the Elijah class,” and “the Elijah class [is] the faithful and discreet slave.” – The Finished Mystery, page 417; The Watchtower, April 15, 1995, page 25.
Accordingly the marking work conducted by Brother Russell was completed with his death in 1916. Then the other “six men” started their “destructive work.” Hence God’s executional forces are the members of the “faithful and discreet slave” who appeared on the scene after 1916, with Joseph F. Rutherford and the following Watchtower presidents the leading way. Ezekiel’s prophecy continues to describe the assignment they received from God:
“Ezekiel 9:5. And to the others He said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity. – After Pastor Russell’s writings have reached an individual, the other members of the Elijah class, the ‘Truth people,’ approach him with the sword … Ezekiel 9:6. Slay utterly old and young, both maids and little children, and women … and begin at My Sanctuary.” – page 419.
Joseph F. Rutherford and his successors ‘went after Pastor Russell,’ but not to mark the people but rather to “slay” them. At God’s “sanctuary” – the organization founded by Charles Taze Russell – they ‘began.’ Contrary to Brother Russell who had put emphasis on Christian qualities and freedom, they implemented a dictatorial organization and made preaching slaves out of Watch Tower readers.
Of course they did not “slay” literally – because it is forbidden by secular law – but in a transferred sense many people lost their lives through the activities of these “executional forces.” (compare The Watchtower,November 15, 1952, page 703) These persons are still breathing, but they must “live no longer for themselves.” (2 Corinthians 5:15) They are “devoting their entire lives to Jehovah’s … [Witnesses]”; many keep strolling from house to house for decades, trying to give uninteresting magazines to uninterested people. – The Watchtower, August 1, 1977, page 466.
Some resign from their job or leave their family to have even more time for the Watchtower Society’s interests. (The Watchtower, May 1, 2007, page 9; 1980 Yearbook of Jehovah’s Witnesses, pages 18, 19) And “God’s executional forces” will continue to “strike without regard to age or sex. For God instructs them to show no mercy.” (The Watchtower, February 1, 1985, page 4) Hence, also in the future “utterly old and young, both maids and little children, and women” will get caught in the Watchtower organization’s clutches and be exploited for its purposes.
What should we do to escape the executional forces? Since they are not allowed to go near “to any man upon whom there is the mark,” and this “mark” must be applied by Pastor Russell, it would be wise to heed his counsel. He provided an important hint in a reply to a reader’s letter: “Beware of ‘organization.’ It is wholly unnecessary … Do not seek to bind others’ consciences, and do not permit others to bind yours.” – Zion’s Watch Tower, September 15, 1895, page 216.
Thus let us avoid the Watchtower Society and all other religious organizations. Then God’s “executional forces” – the “faithful and discreet slave” – will be unable to harm us.
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THE ALTERNATIVE DAILY TEXT by The Witchtower editor
by processor ini have published more than 200 'daily text' comments in german, and will now start translating those into english.
they will be published here:.
http://dailytext2.wordpress.com/.
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a daily text comments by JWNers nerds on the wt misapplications
Which is exactly what I do here ... at least in most of the comments
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THE ALTERNATIVE DAILY TEXT by The Witchtower editor
by processor ini have published more than 200 'daily text' comments in german, and will now start translating those into english.
they will be published here:.
http://dailytext2.wordpress.com/.
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http://dailytext2.wordpress.com/2013/11/01/i-am-the-subject-of-their-song/
Alternative Daily Text for Friday, November 1, 2013
“I am the subject of their song.”
(Lamentations 3:63, NWT 1984)
Job “was subjected to indignities from base persons. He exclaimed: ‘I have become even the theme of their song, and I am to them for a byword. They have detested me.’” (The Watchtower, April 1, 1976, p. 197) The prophet Jeremiah too had “become a laughingstock to all the peoples, the theme of their song.” (Lamentations 3:14) Hence making songs about a person is a sign of disgust and mockery.
Jehovah’s Witnesses today imitate the mockers of the past by singing “songs … about Jehovah.” (The Watchtower, September 1, 1983, p. 32) Missionary Michel Bustamante did not refrain from “singing Kingdom songs that used Jehovah’s name often”, and so do Jehovah’s Witnesses up to this day. (2005 Yearbook of Jehovah’s Witnesses, page 119). Although the book Sing to Jehovah contains only 135 songs, it mentions Jehovah 248 times – the previous songbook Sing Praises to Jehovah had even 545 occurrences.
With their Kingdom Songs – insulting Jehovah by their musical inferiority alone – they keep mocking the creator of music. There is no doubt that Jehovah gave David a prophetic vision of Jehovah’s Witnesses sitting in their Kingdom Hall and rising up for singing a Kingdom Song when he said: “Do look at their very sitting down and their rising up. I am the subject of their song.” (Lamentations 3:63, NWT 1984). But David replied: “You will give to them the insolence of heart, your curse to them. You will pursue in anger and annihilate them.” (Lamentations 3:65, 66, NWT 1984). This will happen soon.
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by processor ini have published more than 200 'daily text' comments in german, and will now start translating those into english.
they will be published here:.
http://dailytext2.wordpress.com/.
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