Posts by Greenpalmtreestillmine

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Do you have a humanocentric worldview?

by Norm in

you are out with your child in a field of beautiful flowers, you ask the child what purpose the flowers.

serve.

the child tell you that one of the techers has told the class that the flowers are there to make it pretty for us humans, so we can enjoy their beauty.

Greenpalmtreestillmine

A Backyard Goldfish Pond:

Goldfish One, "Hey! Our food god has just rained down some great stuff!"

Goldfish Two, "What food god? I see no food god. Food happens that's all don't be stupid."

Goldfish One, "I'm not stupid. Don't you know the food god made this pond just for us? Everything here is just for us."

Goldfish Two, "Prove it."

Goldfish One, "Everything here is just right, it's so beautiful and we're the only ones here that can enjoy it. I mean, the plants can't really enjoy it and this food keeps raining down just when we need it. Faith you got to take it on faith."

Goldfish Two, "Uh, yeah whatever. Look this pond has been the same for eons and we have shown that eons before that this pond was just a puddle of water filled with worms. Science has proven that those ancient worms evolved into other species and then finally the top of the line: us. There's no food god only us here and you'll be a lost fool until you accept that.

Goldfish One, "So just take your word on it then? You say there's no food god and that's the way it is? Well, I don't buy it, this pond was made for us and our food god gives us everything because to him we are everything.

Goldfish Two, "Look, you like your ignorance? Wallow in it for all I care. I'm going over to feed on the naturally occurring food stuffs produced by this naturally occurring pond in which we are nothing but naturally occurring living organic matter. I'm finished trying to educate you!"

In the backyard:

"Daddy, I fed the goldfish!"

"Great honey, do you like your goldfish pond?"

"I love it Daddy. It's the best present you ever gave me."

"Thanks honey. Now remember to feed them the same time everyday and also remove any dead plants and leaves from the water. Okay?"

"Oh, yes Daddy! I want to keep my goldfish healthy and pretty because you gave them to me."

"No honey, I brought them here and built the pond for them but the truth is it was God who gave us the goldfish."

"But Daddy, my friend says there is no God!?"

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Stupid questions require stupid answers

by Norm in

christians always tell us how loving, caring and just god is, how he never ?forgets?

they also claim that god is omnipotent and everything that happens is his will and that it has a ?purpose?.

lets pay attention to what the watchtower say next as we will come back to it later:

Greenpalmtreestillmine

Narkissos,

1. Is that limitation (to God's being the cause of events) the only one?

I spoke of no limitations that is your assumption. There are no limitations with God.

1.1. If so, what about natural catastrophes etc. (cf. Bradley's last post?)

Time and unforseen occurrences befall both man and beast. Or should man, the more intelligent creation, be coddled when he refuses to live according to the nature of things and goes so far as to recklessly live on known faultlines and to allow his fellow to live in shabby houses prown to earthquake damage and he refuses the expense of Tsunami warning systems but not the expense of war? If we wish to live as free men we must be responsible. If though, we wish to live as children being told how to eat and walk and live then we should all be JWs or cats and dogs.

Additionally, it is ironic that man who fails to raise all his own children to be productive and honest citizens not because he is incapable but because he is unwilling to spend the time and money, should at the same time fault God for man's own ills. Man's glass house is not God's fault it is man's.

2. Is that limitation absolute (God never has overruled any human will and never will?)

Again, God has no limitations.

2.1. If not, how is the limitation limited?

Again, God has no limitations.

3. Why does that limitation to God's causality exist in the first place?

Please see the answer above.

Sabrina

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The Great Tribulation............When??

by ScoobySnax in

apologies if this has been asked before, but.... when i was growing up into the fabulously handsome critter i am nowadays, i always remember talk of the great tribulation that would not only befall mankind but overtake this system of things in the near future.

in fact one of my earliest memories was standing in a queue that seemed to go on for miles (i was only 7) outside with my mum and aunt/cousins at a cinema to see starwars, so i reckon it must have been 1977 and listening to them talk of it.

anyway i digress, what and when exactly is the "great tribulation" according to jw beliefs.

Greenpalmtreestillmine

I believe the Watchtower now teaches that the Great Tribulation is yet in the future. This is, though, like so much of their "light" a change from their previous "light" which I believe was that the Tribulation started sometime in the early 20th century and was interrupted allowing the sheep and goats to be sort out. But in the 90's that was all put to ashes and came out a new bird.

Sabrina

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Stupid questions require stupid answers

by Norm in

christians always tell us how loving, caring and just god is, how he never ?forgets?

they also claim that god is omnipotent and everything that happens is his will and that it has a ?purpose?.

lets pay attention to what the watchtower say next as we will come back to it later:

Greenpalmtreestillmine

Narkissos,

I never said he should be. I just said you can't avoid the question.

Okay.

You answered he shouldn't be. All right. But to the "why?", you just answered by one example (rape). Which I would translate in more abstract terms: "Because there are other wills involved." Do I interpret you correctly?

Yes, if I am understanding your statement.

AlanF,

The people who blame or ridicule God for such events do so because they don't believe he exists.

Do agnostics ridicule God? Yes, I think some do.

It's a completely different group of people who deride those who claim that God causes such events, because such people are believers and want to defend their God.

No, that is not always the case. Those that ridicule claims of God's acts are not always people who are as you say, "believers and want to defend their God." Many of them are simply non-believers who are attempting to ridicule what in their view is a ridiculous statement. You know this already.

Sabrina

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Stupid questions require stupid answers

by Norm in

christians always tell us how loving, caring and just god is, how he never ?forgets?

they also claim that god is omnipotent and everything that happens is his will and that it has a ?purpose?.

lets pay attention to what the watchtower say next as we will come back to it later:

Greenpalmtreestillmine

Logan,

So do you think that God should stop all crimes and all wars and what? Treat mankind like he's a dog or something too stupid to be responsible for his own actions? Either we are human and responsible for what we do or we are not. Would you really prefer a world where God tells you what you can do and what you can't? Come on. We all treasure our freedom to do what we will but when some bastard acts out his own evils should we then blame God for not keeping him in line? Whose scale should we use to determine a wrong? Some people think adultery is wrong, should God stop adultery?

What we do we do. We are are own man, Logan.

Sabrina

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Stupid questions require stupid answers

by Norm in

christians always tell us how loving, caring and just god is, how he never ?forgets?

they also claim that god is omnipotent and everything that happens is his will and that it has a ?purpose?.

lets pay attention to what the watchtower say next as we will come back to it later:

Greenpalmtreestillmine

Narkissos,

But those who do believe in God can't avoid the questions: is He the cause of whatever happens or not?

No of course not. If your neighbor rapes a child it is your neighbor who commited the crime not God.

If He is not, why is He not?

Why should he be? Please, answer me this: why should God be the cause of everything that happens?

Sabrina

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Stupid questions require stupid answers

by Norm in

christians always tell us how loving, caring and just god is, how he never ?forgets?

they also claim that god is omnipotent and everything that happens is his will and that it has a ?purpose?.

lets pay attention to what the watchtower say next as we will come back to it later:

Greenpalmtreestillmine

Why is it that on the one hand some people blame or ridicule God for events such as the recent Tsunami and then on the other if someone should say such an event is directly caused by God those same people turn around and degrade the person for claiming such a ridiculous thing. You all like to eat your cake and have it too I see. Oh well, no matter.

Sabrina

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Stupid questions require stupid answers

by Norm in

christians always tell us how loving, caring and just god is, how he never ?forgets?

they also claim that god is omnipotent and everything that happens is his will and that it has a ?purpose?.

lets pay attention to what the watchtower say next as we will come back to it later:

Greenpalmtreestillmine

Where were you when I dumped half the Indian Ocean on your children and killed them without mercy

Where were we? We were sitting on our fat ass enjoying the benefits of our own little fat world.

Sabrina

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Stupid questions require stupid answers

by Norm in

christians always tell us how loving, caring and just god is, how he never ?forgets?

they also claim that god is omnipotent and everything that happens is his will and that it has a ?purpose?.

lets pay attention to what the watchtower say next as we will come back to it later:

Greenpalmtreestillmine

It appears that God is the elephant on whom the hands of men continue to grope. Interesting thread.

Sabrina

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A prophecy

by A Paduan in

want to see the wtbts go down, get debunked, exposed, payed back?

know this "every jw is going to die"

"vengeance is mine, i will repay"

Greenpalmtreestillmine

A Paduan,

Why do you say that?

Sabrina