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  Well, Well, Well Let's all welcome the Great Tribulation!!!!!!!!!

  by unbaptized in

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  2. bible

  well it seems that $750 billion dollar bail out was a waste of time.

  it seems like companies are filing bankruptcy as fast as the market can recoup.

  the crime rate is about to go through the roof.

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  abbagail

  Correction: I see Icke's title is Freedom --OR-- Fascism.
  
  Russo's title is Freedom --TO-- Fascism.
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  Well, Well, Well Let's all welcome the Great Tribulation!!!!!!!!!

  by unbaptized in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  well it seems that $750 billion dollar bail out was a waste of time.

  it seems like companies are filing bankruptcy as fast as the market can recoup.

  the crime rate is about to go through the roof.

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  Cam... be nice now...
  
  The first words that caught my eye are in black letters across the TOP of the browser window for that link, and it says:
  
  TheBigAgenda.com -- ENDGAME-Blueprint for Global Enslavement
  
  
  
  
  
  ENDGAME- Blueprint for Global Enslavement
  139 Min - Purchase DVD
  Plausibility Rating: 4.78 / 5 (36 ratings)
  
  
  So excuuuuse moi!
  
  
  The middle of the page is a big black blank. No video starts up, all I saw was Endgame, and since I've already seen it, I moved on.
  
  
  I have not seen Icke's Freedom to Fascism, only Aaron Russo's documentary of the same title.
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  WT: Dumbing down the message; no intellectuals allowed

  by Hiddenwindow in

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  have you noticed that the most recent publications by the watch tower, and particularly the study articles of the watchtower magazine, contain less and less references to secular sources?

  there is not doubt that the society was always making efforts to provide us with a historical and quasi-intellectual perspective of the world.

  i am sure all of you can think of books by the watch tower that contained extensive information on history, biology, and even philosophy (insight, creation book, the bible -god's word or man's?

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  [...]
  Yes!!! He trashed James: remember the "James Is A Jerk" sermon? That puts WTS right where it belongs.
  
  I still like what AlanF said when someone asked what JW's thought about Grace: it's just a woman's name!!!
  
  BTW: I'm looking for a copy of the James book that WTS did a while back. I hear it's in disfavor
  
  About 3 or 4 years ago, I bought a DVR and recorded about 40 of his sermons. I hope I got the important ones.
  
  Melissa has essentially shut down the "local TV congo'. They both had threatened that over time, but she has finally done it, it seems. For about 10 years, I didn't have to go out of the house to go to "church" :)
  
  Mustang
  [...]
  
  
  ;-D I love talking about great Grace Bible teachers! I flipped by "wild looking Dr. Gene" several times (2006 I think it was), mostly because of all the scribbling on his white-board in the background... I thought, What the Hay is all that??? But one night I stopped and watched and I was HOOKED. I couldn't believe I was hearing someone talking about GRACE, Paul, Romans, etc. (you don't hear much of that on regular Christian TV, and I was newly hooked on Les Feldick as well... so all the sudden I was running into Pauline Grace teachers, and it was perfect timing). But Gene Scott was SO COOL, deep deep, very brainy, and a passionate old guy. Funny, too.
  
  I heard later that he was a wild man in former times, but he seemed to really express his own personal pain at what a sinner he was (or had been) and how he needed Grace more than anybody. I was touched by his expressions about that. I didn't even know he was already dead at first, and was totally bummed when I found out. ;-/
  
  Then they were only showing HIM like one night a week, and the wife's preaching the rest of the time, so I never knew when it would be Gene so I could set in advance to tape it. I did tape a few of them... but wow, no where near 40! Good for you!
  
  I think Gene Scott is the kind of guy you either love 'em or hate 'em. I grew to love him in that short time. When I googled him at some point, seems there were a lot of disgruntled ex church members accusing them of ripping off, etc. etc. But oh well, nobody's perfect, and he WAS a great teacher!
  
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  Might as well shut down TV operation... must cost a fortune, even on PAX/Ion at 1 AM. I think it's like $22,000 per half hour... I figured it out recently when reading one of Les Feldick's newsletters (he's on M-F, but 1 PM). He's Mid-Acts, though... not sure about Gene, was he Classic Pauline (Acts 2), or Mid-Acts (Acts 9)?
  
  Funny about the James is a Jerk sermon, lol. Sounds like something Scott would say. I may have seen it. James the legalist. Funny, tho, I used to LOVE the James book we studied in JW days. The tan colored little book. It was one of the early book studies I attended. His words pierced me many times (in a good way). But, as his opening greeting says in the Book of James, he was writing TO THE TWELVE TRIBES scattered about, hence, not the Gentile church.
  
  Unfortunately, I got rid of all old WT books, mags, lit, in 2004. Had stored it for years and years, and then it all went in one night to the dumpster, tons of it, so I can't help you there.
  
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  Have you ever read any of Miles Stanford's stuff? He's also deceased, but was total Pauline Grace (Acts 2), and great articles! all linked to from this site: http://www.withchrist.org . It was one of Stanford's articles that pierced me with what total Grace means, and that was like late 2005.
  
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  I don't get out to a church either... disability... so Christian TV is my mainstay... I was loving Les Feldick every weekday for two whole years until I uprooted and I can't get him where I am now. It's a killer. I loved his daily program! Also a great teacher, not quite as brainy as Gene Scott, though. www.lesfeldick.org (TV program title: Through The Bible with Les Feldick).
  
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  As for JWs and GRACE being a lady's name, lol... but one day I heard a preacher, don't remember who, might have been Les, but whoever it was, said that the Greek word for Grace actually means "undeserved kindess" and I thought I would flip! ha! Kindness that is undeserved, etc. etc. If it was Les who said it, he is no JW lover. I've heard him tell stories of trying to reason with JWs and how hard it was as they just "couldn't see it."
  
  Well, this is long enough!
  Enjoyed the conversation! ;-)
  /ag
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  Pyramid Burial

  by musky in

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  i remember not believing what i heard about russell being buried under a stone pyramid.

  so i decided to go and check it out myself.

  this was maybe 20 years ago.

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  abbagail

  Never been there, but lots of photos online.
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  yes you can throw a kitten off a 20 story building...no harm

  by oompa in

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  see...if you are raised that way...and even if you are also raised to love all kitties, but told they will not be harmed if you ever throw them off a tall building....you will have no choice but to believe this as fact....you will believe it completely.....and if ever you find youself atop a tall building with a kitty...you will have no problem...no doubt at all.... that if you toss that baby off the roof or out the window...no harm will come to it.. now if you were not raised that way...you may decide to doubt that no harm will come to a kitty thus tossed....that it may be awful for the kitty.....yet those that were raised that way will say horrilbe things to you about your doubts...and make you feel like a freak....and shun you......and even divorce you..........oompa...but i saved the kitty.

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  abbagail

  When I first saw the thread title in Active Topics, I thought it said, "yes you can throw a kitchen off a 20 story building... no harm"...
  
  
  And I thought, WHAT? Throw a kitchen sink off a building?
  
  Ridiculous... I'm not going to bother checking out that thread.
  
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  LOL. I'm back, now reading things CORRECTLY. 8-/
  
  I'm not a cat or kitty fan, but I wouldn't throw them anywhere... just saying "shoooo" usually works.
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  Michael Jackson converts to Islam

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  michael jackson's converts to muslim faith...and becomes mikaeelto some he's lost his mind, now he loses his religion...friday 21st nov 2008.

  ...more michael jackson .

  michael jackson's latest crazy stunt involves reportedly converting to islam on the eve of his court battle with an arab sheik.. the king of pop - who was brought up as a jehovah's witness - is said to have sought solace in the faith after speaking to an unnamed songwriter and producer.. a source tells the sun, they began talking to him about their beliefs, and how they thought they had become better people after they converted.. "michael soon began warming to the idea.".

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  abbagail

  Didn't Jacko almost do this a few years ago? Seems I remember prior news a few years ago that he was interested in Islam...
  
  I'd say his timing is highly suspicious this time around... is there some Sharia law that says a sheik cannot sue a Muslim?
  
  I heard on the TV news he was being sued for something like $7 mil (?) but never heard the news segment as to what it was all about... My first thought, naturally, was THE PEDO IS BACK?
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  Well, Well, Well Let's all welcome the Great Tribulation!!!!!!!!!

  by unbaptized in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  well it seems that $750 billion dollar bail out was a waste of time.

  it seems like companies are filing bankruptcy as fast as the market can recoup.

  the crime rate is about to go through the roof.

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  abbagail

  Hi cam...
  
  Thanks for the link... saw Endgame when it was first released. Excellent movie. Ditto for the esoteric stuff. What do you think their numerology is? Same thing.
  
  Just "reading" the tactics THEY already use... and numbers are one of the ways they transmit messages and "put their mark" on what they are doing... it's a mathematical game to them... the elite worship math and science.
  
  
  [...]
  Manfried Adler and the US Senate Committee investigating the CIA found that 90% of the CIA’s secret messages are transmitted via the media, with the aid of coded texts and pictures. A raised forefinger or two raised forefingers while a speaker is talking means that the message is a Masonic message coming from a Masonic speaker.
  The Illuminati uses code words within the large establishment papers to warn their people what they are going to do with the economy. In this way, people in the Illuminati can take appropriate responses.
  [...]
  Source: http://www.whale.to/b/sp/for1.html
  
  BTW, I found and saved the above quote back in July 2006, and who knows how much older than that it is.
  
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  You said:
  
  [...]
  "270 days is 27 (never count the zero).
  
  "And 27 is made of up three 9's (ie, 3 x 9 = 27).
  
  "Three 9's is 999, which is an inverted 666."
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  Seriously, Abagail, you're getting a bit wound up.
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  As for 9 or 999:
  
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  "In the occult, the number "9" is a number of FINALITY, or of COMPLETION." (think about that in regards to what Biden/Powell/Brezynski were threatening re: USA, and in 2009 << NINE -- no less)
  [...]
  " In the temples of Atlantis and Egypt the candidate for initiation passed through NINE degrees, or rather the THREE-fold THREE degrees, into the mysteries. These degrees symbolized the re-entering of the womb in order, after the THREE times THREE months of gestation, to be reborn into the world of Spirit-consciousness." http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1778.html
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  999 is also 3 x 333!
  
  
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  New World Order author, Elizabeth Van Buren, in her "Secrets of the Illuminati" re: 333 (or 999 to the third degree) - via article by David Buy w/quotes from Van Buren:
  
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  "... in Spiritual Numerology, the numbers 11, 22, and 33 are the three 'Master Numbers', the highest being 33 ... This highest of the master numbers was the age of the Master Initiate (Jesus) at his death, resurrection and ascension, giving more esoteric accents. The '33' symbolizes the highest spiritual conscious attainable by the human being." [The Secrets of the Illuminati, p. 161-2]
  
  A "triplication" of a sacred number is also important, such as "333" or "111", communicating the same theme as the 2-digit number, but with "amplification" of power and meaning.
  
  Let us listen again to van Buren as she specifically addresses the meaning of the number, "333":
  
  "Jesus -- called here the "Master Initiate" -- was '33' at the time of His death; then, when the occultist adds the number '3' for the number of days Jesus spent in the tomb, he gets '333' as a calculation for the entire event through which the occultist considers Jesus to have passed. As van Burn gushes, "Christ lay in the tomb for three days after his crucifixion, a symbol for us of the steps man must take in order to be reborn. The number '333' speaks of death, resurrection, and ascension." [Ibid., p. 162-3]
  
  To reiterate: "The number '333' speaks of death, resurrection, and ascension." Since the entire global occult scheme plans to produce their Masonic Christ (Biblical Antichrist) who will mimic Jesus' "death, resurrection, and ascension" in fulfillment of Revelation 13:3, these sets of numbers are perfect when you want fellow occultists throughout the world to know that the event which just occurred was created as part of the effort to change the world so their Christ could appear.
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  Source: http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n2078.cfm
  
  
  
  
  
  As for the 11/16 date AND time...
  
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  Time and time again during these past years, we have seen news events occurring with certain occult numeric signatures, among them "6" and "11". (NEWS1756: http://cuttingedge.org/news/n1756.cf )
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  The number "6" is an important number to the occultist. The number of man is "6"; the number of man's "perfect" government is "66" and the number of the perfect leader of all time is "666".
  
  "6" because it is the number of "Perfected Man", that is, a person who has been perfected through human effort in a secret society and not the pure Gospel of Jesus Christ.
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  Source: David Bay, former Army Intelligence http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1789.cfm
  
  And again from the other article:
  
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  The Illuminati further believes that "11" is THE number of THEIR Masonic christ, which is fully compatible with Daniel 7:7-8, which depicts Antichrist as the "11th" horn arising after the original 10 horns.
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  Source: http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n2078.cfm
  
  
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  There's tons more as you can imagine.
  
  One last quote:
  
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  ...an ‘occult blind,’ that is, it is designed to “carry an open symbolism acceptable to the uninitiated, yet at the same time, to hide a more profound meaning accessible only to those familiar with Arcane symbolism.” (Ovason, David. THE SECRET ARCHITECTURE OF OUR NATION'S CAPITOL: THE MASONS AND THE BUILDING OF WASHINGTON, D.C., HarperCollins Publishers, 1999; p. 218)
  
  http://watch.pair.com/mystery-babylon-4.html#vaticano
  
  "Open Mystery" vs. "Occult Blind":
  http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:FW7A5qbmJjAJ:www.watch.pair.com/scorpio.html
  +Ovason+%22occult+blind%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=us
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  OK, all "wound down" now, signing off soon... ;-)
  
  /ag
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  WT: Dumbing down the message; no intellectuals allowed

  by Hiddenwindow in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  have you noticed that the most recent publications by the watch tower, and particularly the study articles of the watchtower magazine, contain less and less references to secular sources?

  there is not doubt that the society was always making efforts to provide us with a historical and quasi-intellectual perspective of the world.

  i am sure all of you can think of books by the watch tower that contained extensive information on history, biology, and even philosophy (insight, creation book, the bible -god's word or man's?

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  LOL on the comment that since WT no longer has its UN Library Card, it can't get access to intellectual info. HA!
  
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  And mustang, Gene Scott! Ha! I liked watching his program (re-runs) before the wife finished her "mourning period" after his death and took over the program whole-hog. She eventually even took his name off of the TV screen and put hers instead.
  
  He was deep, and he loved the Grace message, Paul, and Romans. I was just awakening to all of that at the time I found his programs on late night TV on PAX channel.
  
  He was wild looking, but he was very cool, Biblically speaking.
  
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  As for the dumbed-down WT mags, is that the INHOUSE version they are dumbing down?
  
  Or the PUBLIC version of the mags?
  
  Maybe they are only dumbing-down the INHOUSE versions...?
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  JW issues

  by Junction-Guy in

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  don't interest me anymore.. .

  i don't even post as much on jw topics anymore.

  even though i believe the wt is a lying destructive cult, i just don't feel as eager to expose it anymore.. .

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  I agree.,.. most JW "issues" are rather BORING... but after six years, what should I expect?
  
  
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  Even though I believe the WT is a lying destructive cult, I just don't feel as eager to expose it anymore.
  
  Politics seems to be my passion right now and maybe a more constructive way to spend my time.
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  Well, Well, Well Let's all welcome the Great Tribulation!!!!!!!!!

  by unbaptized in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  well it seems that $750 billion dollar bail out was a waste of time.

  it seems like companies are filing bankruptcy as fast as the market can recoup.

  the crime rate is about to go through the roof.

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  abbagail

  Update to provide specifics:
  
  
  Colin Powell is the one who said he expects something around January 21st or 22nd, 2009.
  
  Zbigniew Brzezinsky said Obama may be tested by terrorists after he takes office on January 20th.
  
  Joe Biden said he guarantees a crisis within SIX months.
  
  The Pentagon guy, Michael Bayer, is the one who said within 270 DAYS.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Just to humor myself, further above I wrote: "I thought it odd they would say 270 DAYS rather than simply saying 9 months. I haven't figured out the meaning of that..."
  
  Duh! It was right under my nose...
  
  
  270 days is 27 (never count the zero).
  
  And 27 is made of up three 9's (ie, 3 x 9 = 27).
  
  Three 9's is 999, which is an inverted 666.
  
  
  So when "Veteran Pentagon consultant Michael Bayer, chairman of the Defense Business Board, told his fellow panelists that the new president's inner circle should 'set aside time in transition to identify the planning, gravitas and interagency process necessary to respond to a likely first-270-day crisis,' " [http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/27/pentagon-panel-joe-biden_n_138192.html?page=9] , he was giving an occult signal via press reports to fellow adepts around the globe. They do it all the time. Watch the numbers. So 270 days (999/666) means they are on board with the NWO plan, whatever it may be, time-wise and "testing-wise."
  
  Often they pour on the rhetoric to see how far they can push and panic the public, to see what type of reactions they will get. But I DO think they are trying to RAMP UP people into wanting to revolt, which is exactly what the elite would love, as then they could say they have an "excuse" to start wiping people out, "for the good of all," of course.
  
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  I said "watch the numbers"... Here's a the headline/date from a news clip re: what Brzezinski said about Obama's testing... I couldn't help but notice the DATE AND TIME of this news post:
  
  [...]
  Brzezinski: Last two US presidents tested early by al Qaeda attacks
  November 16, 2008, 11:16 AM (GMT+02:00)
  http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=5707
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  Look at that... unbelievable...
  
  You have the date, Nov. 16, which is 1116, which is an inverted "mirror" for 911.
  
  And it was posted at exactly 11:16, which AGAIN gives you a 1116 which means same as above, 911.
  
  Yeah, Yeah, it's all a coincidence... and Rothschild/Rockefeller didn't buy up all the media/newspapers beginning 80 years ago either...
  
  /ag