i went to the meeting this morning and taped the reading of the letter, and transcribed it when i got home.
there are a few alterations to the u.s. letter posted by silent lambs.
i have highlighted these changes.. .
Thanks for the link, YC...
Talk about confusion: In your post at the other link, WT says Jesus did not need the Law to prove who he was, yet then they say Jesus used the law (Deut. 19:15) and RECONFIRMED IT himself at Mat. 18:16, etc. etc.etc.
GB sitting in the big room, scratching their heads, moaning, "Yeah, if we try hard enough, I just KNOW we can connect these dots somehow..." [8>]
GRITS
he just made a joke in his monologue about the jw's having sex scandal problems in minnesota.
the punchline was......"i'm just worried people will start avoiding them.
" serena williams is one of his guests tonight.
Dave's monologue from last night IS on his site now... along with Serena's interview...
I couldn't believe it last night... I had seen a commercial that Williams was going to be on, so I planned to watch, but was watching Leno and when I flipped over to Dave during commercial, all I caught was the tail end:
"......avoiding Jehovah's Witnesses. We wouldn't want that to happen."
Arrgggh! I wondered WHAT was he talking about specifically??? was it the sex abuse or just one of his regular jokes about JWs?
Just now listened to the clip, and here's what he said to the best of my recollection (keeping in mind my short-term memory loss) ;)
"Did you hear there's a big sex abuse scandal concerning Jehovah's Witnesses in Minnesota? (no response from audience so he asks again) Did you hear about that???? (audience now groans, Nooooooooooo) Yeah, well, uh, I sure hope this isn't true... I really hope it is not true because, uh, we would really hate to see people START avoiding Jehovah's Witnesses... We wouldn't want THAT to happen." (laughter from audience)
All it takes is to plant those little seeds for people to have their eyes/ears more sensitive to any future things they may see/hear.
I'd never seen Serena before, and I was somewhat surprised at her attire (ugh on those scraggly jeans), but she carries herself very well and is very confident, very charming, right-at-home, laughing, friendly, gracious... I really liked her. I thought she had a great personality and interacted with Dave perfectly. He had earlier said, before she came out, how he was in an unusually good mood last night.
I did not catch the "hesitation" somebody mentioned above, but some things do go right past me.... ;)
And I did not hear him mention anything about the JWs to her, though I, too, wondered if he would dare... he probably asked her back stage, think?
I mean, what Timing! (that a JW would be ON the show with him the same night he has joke-material about them).
The Minnesota info came out way last week or prior, so he's "behind" in his JW News! (Quick, somebody send him the link to this site so he can keep up!) If his writers were "in the know," he'd already be joking about Panorama rather than Minnesota.
GRITS
from the jehovah press:.
great britan, -.
earlier this week satan the devil, gog of magog, unleashed another in a series of attacks against the creator of all the universe, jehovah god.
Hi tdogg! Sounds like your brain was rolling along in quite a creative frenzy there! Good job!
Well, we HAVE been left with an abundance of material to work with, haven't we?
Keep the creative juices flowing! Have you been invited to join the Writing Department at HQ? ;)
GRITS
you look like krap brother, on tape.
did the lady reporter scare ya as ya came off your pedistal?
i gotta admit, that look on your sorry ass face was priceless.
Thanks, Englishman, for the time-frame correction.
And to FriendlyFellaAL, the confrontation (reporter & TJ) had to have occurred in the recent past because it was at one of the District Conventions.
Good scripture, ISP!
SYN, old habits are hard to break, eh? ;) I just wondered if the editing comments were proper protocol or something. I wanna play by the rules, ya know? --- And funny comment about the S.Baptists. :)
GRITS
bp: tell me about the database.
how do you justify keeping a list of paedophiles, men in some cases who have confessed to paedophilia but you have not reported them to an authority.
what justification is there for you to keep that?
One wrote:
GB member really think they are above everybody, KINGS, should not be questioned.
If I hadn't of lived it, I probably wouldn't believe it...
During my JW years, a sister had moved down from NY to live in Florida. Since she didn't have a car, I got to take her to meetings and we became friends. She was about 20 years older that me, in her 50's at the time. She was one hard-headed, loud, outspoken sis (NY/Italian/Catholic turned JW). Anyway, seems when she lived in Manhattan, she was chummy with the "Kings," and I tell no lies, that is how she referred to them ALL THE TIME. She would ramble on and on nostalgically about all of the dinner parties she held in her NY apt. for "THE KINGS." Evidently she had owned a HUGE dinner table, but had to sell it before moving to Florida to live in a smaller apt. She referred to that dining table fondly and frequently as "THE TABLE OF THE KINGS," and she longed to again have it and the dinner parties that went with it. The KINGS, The KINGS, The KINGS! I did like hearing her stories, but at the same time I thought she was being either overly dramatic and/or succumbing to "creature worship." :-)
GRITS
bp: tell me about the database.
how do you justify keeping a list of paedophiles, men in some cases who have confessed to paedophilia but you have not reported them to an authority.
what justification is there for you to keep that?
Emperor Class wrote:
sheeple
LOL. That's a first for me!
Edited by - grits on 15 July 2002 13:25:16
with the accused and the accuser to see what each says on the matter.
reveal that similar, uncorroborated allegations were lodged against the same person in the past, perhaps.
may 9, 2002. page 2. however, even if the elders cannot take congregational action, they are expected to report the.
Hi SYN, thanks, I was doing me best to see how the application of the 2-witness-scripture in Matthew would pan out if used by the one who spoke those very words.
That "jam" comment by the HQ on the phone was v-e-r-y embarrassing. I wonder what happened to the guy on the other end of the phone? I bet they kicked his butt for "getting caught red-handed."
LeeetleToe :) I liked your happily-ever-after version much better. The Good Uncle Pete v. Wicked Unckie Ananias. :) Always LOVED that account about Ananias and Sapphire. It always put the real Fear of God into me big time. I still get a charge when reading it, after all this time:
Petersays, "Why was it that you purposed such a deed as this in your heart? You have played false, not to men, but to God!"
New hobbie: Altering the characters in scriptures to match Current Events. Quite exhilirating and humbling at the same time.
GRITS
you look like krap brother, on tape.
did the lady reporter scare ya as ya came off your pedistal?
i gotta admit, that look on your sorry ass face was priceless.
One more thing S.O.B., before I lay me down to sleep... Balboa Island, Calif...1975 ... Kharma is creeping up on you 'TJ'. -- The sKallyWagger
Now that's enough to get one's curiosity roarin'!
Had a best friend who lived on Balboa Island for, geez, 15+ years, only moved from there last summer. Who would have guessed it was one of TJ's former stomping grounds... :)
GRITS
Q: Why do people put notes at the bottom of their posts explaining why they edited?
If you must know, I edited to get my dates straight... ;)
Edited by - grits on 15 July 2002 12:31:9
you look like krap brother, on tape.
did the lady reporter scare ya as ya came off your pedistal?
i gotta admit, that look on your sorry ass face was priceless.
Amazing wrote:
"and the ted's and Saddam's of the world are seeing the handwriting on the wall..."
LOL! Ted and Saddam!
"At that moment the fingers of a (District Attorney's) man's hand came forth and were writing in front of the (grand jury) lampstand upon the plaster of the wall of the (HQ) palace of the (GB) king, and the (GB) king was beholding the back of the (District Attorneys') hand that was writing. At that time as regards the (GB) king, [their] very complexion[s] [were] changed in [them], and [their] own thoughts began to frighten [them], and [their] hip joints were loosening and [their] very knees were knocking each other.
And the (GB) king was calling out loudly to bring in the (legal dept.) conjurers... The (GB) king was answering and saying to the (legal dept.) wise men of Babylon, 'Any (lawyer) man that will read this writing and show me its very interpretation, with purple (power) he will be clothed and a necklace of gold ($$$$) about his neck, and as the third one (power/prestige) in the kingdom he will become.'
At that time all the (legal dept.) wise men of the (GB) king were coming in, but they were not competent (humble) enough to read the writing itself or to make known to the (GB) king the interpretation. Consequently, King (GB) Belshazzar was very much frightened and his complexion was changing within him; and his grandees (elders around the world) were perplexed.
As regards the (Erica) queen, because of the words of the (GB) king and his (elders) grandees she entered right into the banqueting hall. The (Erica) queen answered and said, 'O (GB) King, keep living even to times indefinite. Do not let your thoughts frighten you, nor let your complexion[s] be changed. There exists a capable man in your kingdom (halls) in whom there is the spirit of holy gods... and insight and wisdom like the wisdom of the gods were found in him... an extraordinary spirit and knowledge and insight to interpret dreams (of silent lambs) and the explanations of riddles (BOE letters) and the untying of knots (WTS' sex abuse policy) had been found in him, in (Bill Bowen) Daniel, whom the (GB) king himself named (elder) Belteshazzar. Now let (Bill Bowen) Daniel himself be called, that he may show the very interpretation.'
Accordingly (Bill) Daniel himself was brought in before the (GB) king (via the website/the letters/the media, etc.)... The (GB) king was speaking up and saying to (Bill) Daniel, 'Are you the (elder) Daniel that is of the (silent lamb) exiles of Judah...? ... And now there have been brought in before me the (legal dept.) wise men and the conjurers, that they may read this very (District Attorneys') writing, even to make known to me (GB) its interpretation; but they are not competent (humble) enough to show the very interpretation of the word. And I myself have heard concerning you, that you are able to furnish interpretations and to untie knots themselves. Now, if you are able to read the writing and to make known to me (GB) its very interpretation, with purple (slander) you will be clothed...'
At that time (Bill) Daniel was answering and saying before the (GB) king: "Let your gifts prove to be to you yourself, and your presents do you give to others (the legal dept. attorneys). However, I shall read the (District Attorneys') writing itself to the (GB) king, and the interpretation I shall make known to him. As for you, O (GB) king, the Most High God himself gave to Nebuchadnezzar (that would be Russell/Rutherford/Knorr/Franz, et al) your father the kingdom (halls full of JWs) and the greatness and the dignity and the majesty.
And because of the greatness that He gave [them], ALL PEOPLES, national groups and languages (JWs around the world) proved to be quaking and showing fear before [them/GB]. Whom [they] happened to want to, [they were] killing (blood issue); and whom [they] happened to want to, [they were] striking (imprisonment for no military service); and whom [they] happened to want to, [they were] exalting (power to the elite elders/COs/DOs); and whom [they] happened to want to, [they were] humiliating (the Silent Lambs).
But when [their] heart became haughty and [their] own spirit became hard, so as to act presumptously, [they were] brought down from the throne of [their] (WTS) kingdom, and [their] own dignity was taken away from [them]. And from the sons of mankind (the JWs) [they were] driven away, and [their/former GB] very heart was made like that of a beast, and with the wild asses [their] dwelling was (no more holy spirit on the GB)... until [they] know that the Most High God is Ruler in the kingdom of mankind, and that the one whom he wants to, he sets up over it (Jesus Christ).
And as for you, his son (current GB, including TJ) Belshazzar, you have not humbled your heart, ALTHOUGH YOU KNEW ALL OF THIS. But against the Lord of the heavens you exalted yourself, and they brought before you even the vessels of his house (the children Silent Lambs); and you yourself (GB) and your (legal dept.) grandees...have been drinking wine from them, and you have praised mere gods of silver and of gold, copper, iron, wood and stone, that are beholding nothing or hearing nothing or knowing nothing; but the God in whose hand your breath is and to whom all your ways belong you have not glorified.
Consequently from before him there was being sent the back of a (District Attorneys') hand, and this very writing that was inscribed: ME'NE, ME'NE, TE'KEL and PAR'SIN.... ME'NE, God has numbered the days of your (WTS) kingdom and has finished it. TE'KEL, you have been weighed in the balances and have been found deficient. PE'RES, your kingdom (power & $$$$) has been divided and given to the (Silent Lambs and their attorneys).' At that time Belshazzar (GB & TJ) commanded, and they clothed (Bill) Daniel with purple (slander), with a necklace of (disfellowshipping) gold about his neck; and they heralded concerning him that he was (NOT) to become the third ruler (elder) in the kingdom (halls) (any more). In that very night Belshazzar (GB) the Chaldean (false prophet) king was killed, and Darius the Mede (Uncle Sam's Lawyers) himself received the (WTS) kingdom, being about sixty-two years (too late)." --- (Daniel 5:5-30).
GRITS
you look like krap brother, on tape.
did the lady reporter scare ya as ya came off your pedistal?
i gotta admit, that look on your sorry ass face was priceless.
Jedi wrote:
I hope as many JW see this behavor on their own TVs.
Teddy boy really screwed up in a way that will open eyes!!!
One would like to THINK so, wouldn't we? However, I have a feeling they are going to look at our firecrackin' BBC reporter as a Sister of Satan who was harrassing one of Christ's humble slaves, and duh, he was doing his best, against this ferocious badgering wordly female, to be as "discreet" as he possibly could under those "persecution-like" circumstances.
Seriously, his answer didn't even make any sense to me. He answered her question with a question. You gotta watch out for people who do that, you know! (I think that is one of the strategies of Theocratic Warfare?)
It looked like they caught him by surprise. Were they using a hidden camera or what? Was anybody THERE at that DC who can tell us, who just happened to be sitting near the stage? :)
And to think the BBC flew all the way across the Atlantic to Tucson just for a 20-second conversation with Mr. TJ Run Run Run Run Runaway...
Didn't he learn in all his years in the TMS how to speak to "opposers" in a NICE WAY?
And, r-e-a-l-ly seriously, wouldn't it have been NICE if he had just stopped for a second, looked the lady in the eye, answered her question with his privacy answer or whatever, BUT THEN said something WARM & COMPASSIONATE about how terrible he feels about the children and the "few" elders who obviously screwed up....
But NOOOOOOO! Mr. Huff 'n Gruff 'n Growl.... get along little doggy and G-R-O-W-L.... it made SUCH a nice impression!
Well, I, for one, was glad to see him on video, since I was wondering what this famous fella looked like since I've been hearing so much about him lately on this board and 'round about...
GRITS
