Posts by telemetry11

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Proof - of what?

by Doltologist in

a few weeks ago, these two jovies turned up on my doorstep.

being in a good mood that particular day, i told them that if they could prove that god existed, i'd become a jovie - and i meant every word.. they gave me two documents which they asked me read and told me that they'd be back in a week.

the first was called "was life created?

telemetry11

Cofty,
You falsely assert that I ignored your “well researched post”. I thought it very interesting and certainly deserving of investigation and rational reply. Actually, the question that I just put to you was a first step toward that conversation.
But you--

I am not going to answer whether I agree with a phrase plucked from somebody else's post unless I can discuss with them exactly what they meant.

Then you do not yet get the point, the focus, of this discussion. Doltologist wrote, “That's the point, if we have enough attempts to create life, eventually, we will succeed.” That is why I joined this chat. I wrote-- "Did life emerge on its own or not? What is the tested reality?" Let me know when you too get the point an we’ll start again.

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'Conti' Court decision secures Watchtower's Policy of confidentiality

by telemetry11 in

the court on the rule of confidentiality of penitential communications and evidentiary privilege--.. decision reads:.

"the law generally protects the confidentiality of communications with clergy like those of kendrick to the elders here.".

"if the person has a constitutional right to independence in making religious choices, the recognition of an evidentiary privilege is an apt means of protecting that autonomy.

telemetry11

opusdei1972

Religion must lose its protected status.

"If the person has a constitutional right to independence in making religious choices, the recognition of an evidentiary privilege is an apt means of protecting that autonomy. If any type of relationship deserves the protection of an enclave shored up with an evidentiary privilege, it is a consultive relationship dealing with this kind of choice."

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'Conti' Court decision secures Watchtower's Policy of confidentiality

by telemetry11 in

the court on the rule of confidentiality of penitential communications and evidentiary privilege--.. decision reads:.

"the law generally protects the confidentiality of communications with clergy like those of kendrick to the elders here.".

"if the person has a constitutional right to independence in making religious choices, the recognition of an evidentiary privilege is an apt means of protecting that autonomy.

telemetry11

The Court on the rule of confidentiality of penitential communications and evidentiary privilege--.

Decision reads:

"The law generally protects the confidentiality of communications with clergy like those of Kendrick to the elders here."

"If the person has a constitutional right to independence in making religious choices, the recognition of an evidentiary privilege is an apt means of protecting that autonomy. If any type of relationship deserves the protection of an enclave shored up with an evidentiary privilege, it is a consultive relationship dealing with this kind of choice."

"[T]he public policy to protect the confidentiality of penitential communications that underlies the privilege and reporting statutes militates strongly against imposition of the duty claimed here to inform congregations of such communications."

That California's Evidence Code expressly states the extent of the privilege is not an appropriate subject for legislation was also persuasive to the Conti Court, which cautioned other courts of intruding on this privilege.*

The Appellate Court wrote:

"Accordingly, we conclude that the elders of the Fremont Congregation had no duty to depart from Watchtower's policy of confidentiality ..."

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*IMO that sticks a pin in Zalkin's 13.5 million dollar balloon.

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Proof - of what?

by Doltologist in

a few weeks ago, these two jovies turned up on my doorstep.

being in a good mood that particular day, i told them that if they could prove that god existed, i'd become a jovie - and i meant every word.. they gave me two documents which they asked me read and told me that they'd be back in a week.

the first was called "was life created?

telemetry11

Cofty,

Doltologist claims: if we have enough attempts to create life, eventually, we will succeed.

Do you agree?

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Proof - of what?

by Doltologist in

a few weeks ago, these two jovies turned up on my doorstep.

being in a good mood that particular day, i told them that if they could prove that god existed, i'd become a jovie - and i meant every word.. they gave me two documents which they asked me read and told me that they'd be back in a week.

the first was called "was life created?

telemetry11

LIFE is a chemical phenomenon, but it's distinctiveness lies not in the chemistry as such but something even more profound —

The “simplest" self-sufficient replicating cell is a complex information-processing system.

The ‘cheerful’ argument goes, “If enough monkeys pecked away at typewriters long enough, they could eventually write the complete works of Shakespeare.” However the tested reality is—“If a trillion monkeys were to type 10 randomly chosen characters a second it would take, on the average, more than a trillion times as long as the universe has been in existence just to produce the sentence: ‘To be or not to be, that is the question.’" —William Bennett; professor of physics at Yale University, 1979

Something more wonderful than the complete works of Shakespeare is here— irreducibly complex, computationally intractable, infinitely more precise. “The information content of a 'simple' cell has been estimated at around 10^12 bits of data, comparable to about a hundred million pages of Encyclopedia Britannica.”—Encyclopedia Britannica 1974, p. 894

Effectively processing that 10^12 bits of semantic content, inanimate molecular machines communicate, cooperate, and interact in concerted purpose with other cooperative, interactive, communicating, inanimate molecular machines. By means of this complex information-processing system, the “simplest" self-sufficient replicating cell produces hundreds of different proteins and other molecules, “on cue” and under variable conditions. Synthesis, degradation, energy generation, replication, maintenance of cell, architecture, mobility, regulation, and communication —all of these functions take place in virtually every cell, and each function itself requires the interaction of numerous inanimate parts including membrane, chromosomes, ribosomes, nucleolus, nucleus, mitochondrion.

Consider just one part of one part of all the cooperative, interactive, communicating parts—DNA. It contains the information processed by a self-sufficient replicating cell “The efficiency of DNA as a carrier of data is so great that if all the information held within all the libraries of the of the world (about 10^18 bits of data) were programmed onto DNA, that information would fit on about 1 percent of the head of a pin!"—Siemens Review 56(6):1-7, 1989

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Proof - of what?

by Doltologist in

a few weeks ago, these two jovies turned up on my doorstep.

being in a good mood that particular day, i told them that if they could prove that god existed, i'd become a jovie - and i meant every word.. they gave me two documents which they asked me read and told me that they'd be back in a week.

the first was called "was life created?

telemetry11

Doltologist,

I read the suggested article. Great stuff for later.

Clearly there are no assumed mechanisms in my argument.

Unchanging facts of protein “creation”:

Proteins are chains of amino acids.

Some 500 amino acids are known but only 20 amino acids are used in life’s proteins.

The implicit ordering of the 20 amino acids endows the protein chain with remarkable physical and chemical properties and ultimately the function of the protein.

So, given the odds of 1 in 20 for the implicit ordering of each link, a small protein chain of 100 amino acid links has 1 chance in 20^100 (1 chance in 10^130) of emerging functional on its own.

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Of course one functional protein is not alive. Modern biochemistry has shown that any “cooperative self-replicating system” (including any hypothetical protobiont) is (or would have been) operated by teams of proteins. The simplest known self-reproducing organism (H39 strain of Mycoplasma) has 625 proteins averaging 400 amino acids each. However, some contend that, theoretically, one might get by with 124 such proteins. The chances of spontaneously forming 124 such proteins, are 1 in 10^79,360.

Doltologist, most textbooks focus on the chemistry of life—which molecules do what inside the cell. Obviously, life is a chemical phenomenon, but it's distinctiveness lies not in the chemistry as such but something even more profound.

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California Supreme Court Case - S226656

by Gayle in

jw
friends

http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/maincasescreen.cfm?dist=0&doc_id=2109889&doc_no=s226656&search=party&start=1&query_partylastnameororg=watchtower bible and tract.

started 5/27/2015.

telemetry11

Actually the Conti Appellate decision secures Watchtower's Policy.

Decision reads:

- "Conti argued that the Fremont Congregation elders had a duty to warn members of the Congregation that Kendrick had molested a child ..."

- "Conti ... identifies no authority for any such duty ..."

- "We disagree with Conti that they had a legal duty to warn the Congregation about Kendrick."

The Court concluded that the burden the duty to warn would create, and the adverse social consequences that the duty would produce, outweighed its imposition. Finding that such a burden would be unworkable the court remarked: "The burden would be considerable because the precedent could require a church to intervene whenever it had reason to believe that a congregation member is capable of doing harm, and the scope of that duty could not be limited with any precision."

The Appellate Court wrote:

- "No moral blame can be cast on defendants for adhering to that public policy."

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Proof - of what?

by Doltologist in

a few weeks ago, these two jovies turned up on my doorstep.

being in a good mood that particular day, i told them that if they could prove that god existed, i'd become a jovie - and i meant every word.. they gave me two documents which they asked me read and told me that they'd be back in a week.

the first was called "was life created?

telemetry11

Doltologist,

Clearly, despite your assumptions to the contrary, there are no assumed mechanisms in my argument.

A little perspective on “the number 10^113 is larger than the estimated total number of all the atoms in the visible universe.” 10^113 is, actually, representative of the estimated number of all the atoms in 10000000000000000000000000000000000 typical universes— give or take.

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Proof - of what?

by Doltologist in

a few weeks ago, these two jovies turned up on my doorstep.

being in a good mood that particular day, i told them that if they could prove that god existed, i'd become a jovie - and i meant every word.. they gave me two documents which they asked me read and told me that they'd be back in a week.

the first was called "was life created?

telemetry11

Doltologist,

Is-- “That's the point, if we have enough attempts to create life, eventually, we will succeed.”--the mechanism that you assume?

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Why Conti will win—California’s "any substantial evidence" rule.

by telemetry11 in

conti appellate opinion:.

"to avoid the risks posed by having child molesters in field service, watchtower's asserted policy was to prohibit them from doing field service alone or with children.

"conti's testimony provided substantial evidence that defendants breached this duty.

telemetry11

Conti Appellate Opinion:

"To avoid the risks posed by having child molesters in field service, Watchtower's asserted policy was to prohibit them from doing field service alone or with children." (p 19)

"Conti's testimony provided substantial evidence that defendants breached this duty." (p 23)

California’s appellate practice per Civil harassment com:

California's appellate practice interpretation of the "substantial evidence" standard of review adds one more word to create the phrase "any substantial evidence". That little prepended "any" appears to be the anchor of a unique self-indulging deviation from national norms of justice that unconstitutionally prefers to place facts which support the party that lost at trial in the darkest penumbra of a total eclipse.

In combination with other rules of review and court, the gross result is a massive set of California appellate opinions systemically licensed by the State to libel the party that lost at the trial level.

Simply stated, by the general practice of California appellate panels unconstitutionally takes everything said by the winning party as true and completely ignores the exculpatory evidence put on by the party that lost. California opinions are therefore heavily populated with false statements stated as fact which every reasonable trier of fact would find absurd and that even the trial judge did not find.