Posts by wobble

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Shocked at what my 3 year old just asked me

by jwfacts in

me - jehovah?

who is jehovah?.

me - oh.. zac - are you happy with me dad for remembering jehovah.

wobble

This is just my opinion, but I have a feeling that a 3.5 year old will know if you are being open and honest or not. I know that from a similar age I was very aware that adults were keeping all sorts of information from me.

If he asked about something else you would give him your perspective on it, right or wrong, why not on this?

I think you are being more concerned about the feelings of believers than about your sons well being.

I would advise strongly that you do tell him about the wide opinions on what or who god is, and that there may not be a " God", a friend of mine , XJW, said to his daughter "You can bet, because there are so many opinions out there, that there is not an answer that can be proved"

I imagine she will trust his judgement on matters in the future for his candid and educative words, he did this despite risking the ire of his JW wife and family.

As he said to me," no one , not even me, has the right to indoctrinate my kids"

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Got my reply from the UK charities commission...

by oldlightnewshite in

got my reply from the uk charities commission.

i'm not a happy bunny.

basically, they're saying that any crackpot organization can get charitable status as long as they're a religion.

wobble

I think that any move needs to be carefully done so that we don't lose credibility. As has been shown, plenty of bogus charities exist in the U.K and the commission has not the will, the teeth, or the resources to do a lot about it.

I suspect the lack of will is the chief thing.

I do believe that a sensible concerted campaign asking the Treasury to consider looking at this matter may work, they could avoid refunding millions in tax.

It would need to be aimed at all charities who do not really operate acording to the Charity Law. The problem is that one of the basic tests of Public benefit is if the charity concerned promotes the "advancement of religion" , JW's will not have much trouble convincing the Tax people of that.

What we would really need is legislation to define what "charity" really is, it may be an idea to try to get the British Humanist Association to speak up on this, they will not be in favour of religious charities whose sole charitable work is the promotion of their own religion.

Ill thought out, badly written, submissions that do not attack in a way that will work will only serve to establish the rights of the WT and others in this on an even firmer basis.

Cedars ? Comments ?

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The real identity of the F&DS revealed...any news yet?

by Aussie Oz in

recently barbara posted the update on the unthank case and mentioned that more would be revealed soon on the real identity of the faithful slave.. has it been revealed yet?

have i missed it?.

been looking, hoping!.

wobble

When we get an answer, if it actually is an naswer that defines who the FDS are, which I am afraid it will not be, it will be an obfuscation of some sort, trying to keep the American end of things, especially the GB ,out of this, but if we did get an answer, will someone please alert Moshe ?

He has tried all sorts of things, including phoning H.Q, and nobody will say they are a member of the FDS, or even who the FDS are.

I wish the Court luck in trying to identify this mysterious entitiy, but I won't hold my breath whilst waiting.

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WT's advertisement on jwbrothers.org

by wheelwithinwheel in

jw
friends

wobble

Your post isn't showing so I don't know which aspect you are referring to, but the text on there , and the pictures flashed on to sell the videos, are both more likely to repel than attract I would have thought.

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HOW DO YOU CONTINUE?

by angel.face in

jw
friends

lately i've been finding it more and more difficult to keep up a front.. .

before i learned the tatt i was the mover and shaker of our family.

i would study with the kids.

wobble

What is your relationship liike with your husband ? does he truly love you ? don't answer that on here, but ask yourself if it is not better to open up a little more to him about where you are at.

Perhaps at first just asking him to help you with something about the religion that you have always struggled with, before you were fully awake. Then progress to more difficult things for him to face.

Beware though of raising his Apostalert, and as you go along try to establish some ground rules,for instance it is no use pointing you to the WT literature on something you struggle with, you know what it says,but still struggle.

What you do not want to do is let any of the power you have at present go, by DAing you will do that, and your husband may become fanatical about indoctrinating the kids.

Softly softly, slowly, is the way.

Good luck.

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Got my reply from the UK charities commission...

by oldlightnewshite in

got my reply from the uk charities commission.

i'm not a happy bunny.

basically, they're saying that any crackpot organization can get charitable status as long as they're a religion.

wobble

Dear Listener, so the WT are not a registered charity in Oz ? what were the reasons for refusal ???

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Got my reply from the UK charities commission...

by oldlightnewshite in

got my reply from the uk charities commission.

i'm not a happy bunny.

basically, they're saying that any crackpot organization can get charitable status as long as they're a religion.

wobble

Another question that comes to mind regarding the charity stuff, and I have never got a definitive answer to this ,from the Insurance industry.

But surely the Dubs who go out in FS, and report it to the charity, to fund raise for the charity, are agents for the charity (again, the local congregation, the WT itself would deny agency) , and therefore should be insured on their vehicles for this, fund raisers for other charities are.

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Got my reply from the UK charities commission...

by oldlightnewshite in

got my reply from the uk charities commission.

i'm not a happy bunny.

basically, they're saying that any crackpot organization can get charitable status as long as they're a religion.

wobble

Dear Cantleave, I will have to tone down my life quite a bit, but I will join your cult !

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How bad have you wanted to write "The DA Letter"?

by RayPublisher in

like many of you i am fading and am trying to stay the course rather than be dfed due to family ties.

but i so badly want to simply write a letter and be rid of this giant weight on my back lately.

just like a bandaid that is easier to just tear off, i guess.. .

wobble

I am pleased that I did not write one, though I went through a stage of wishing to so so much, so that I could live my life without looking over my shoulder.

The problem is that I know I would still have "looked over my shoulder" in that I would not want the Dubs saying stuff like "he only left so he could put up a Christmas tree" etc etc

As it is I am free to speak to any member of my family who is a Jw, and any of the old JW acquaintances.

I am often able to plant a seed , and I am in a position to be really supportive to any who wish to fade.

I do not recognize them as having the right to my resignation, I did not join the religion as it is today, I was baptised in 1962, it is nothing like it was then, nothing. (Well, except being wrong on everything, they were then as well)

If I were going to write one I would be tempted to do a Groucho Marx: "Dear Sirs, I wish to resign from your religion as I do not wish to be a member of a religion that would have someone like me ".

Groucho wrote that to a club, not a religion, the problem with even that bit of piss-taking is that the cult-think would kick in and they would take it as a confession of gross sin.

My advice is do not give them the satisfaction of closure, they do not deserve it, remain an inactive one, even if you are silent, by your non-support you are pointing the finger and saying there is something wrong with the religion, by following their rules and DA'ing you are admitting to them ,in their mind, that there is something wrong with you.

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Got my reply from the UK charities commission...

by oldlightnewshite in

got my reply from the uk charities commission.

i'm not a happy bunny.

basically, they're saying that any crackpot organization can get charitable status as long as they're a religion.

wobble

OLNS, thanks for posting, I can see their point, the article and any charges arising from it cannot interest them unless they call the status of the charity in to question.

I think any questioning of the status of the W.T needs to be done on the basis that they do not do anything of public benefit. This needs to be very well presented, as the W.T will come back with crap like, "we teach the illiterate to read " which has been true in very rare cases, (only so the poor soul can read enough of a WT to convince them to start contributing, but still true)

I agree that setting up a bogus charity under the lax rules and lack of investigation that goes on at resent is very easy, the W.T have done it.

I wonder if a start could be made by questioning the status of a local Congregation that is registered as a charity, as they all are, asking for specific proof that they do things of benefit to "the public".

Recruiting for their cult ,even teaching someone to read so they will be a member, is not in fact of benefit to the public,it is only of benefit to the religion.

I suspect that then the Congregation would get someone to swear that they were a kleptomaniac drug using alcoholic until J.W's came along.

How do you prove that this reformed individual is not of benefit to the public ???

The whole thing is difficult beyond words, we know the truth, that they do nothing that the public themselves would say is of benefit, but to get the Commission to recognise this, and act on the WT's fraudulent status, is going to be an uphill struggle to say the least.