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  When did the Watchtower start baptising converts?

  by Philippus79 in

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  i think to remember the russell initially accepted water baptisms of other christian denominations.

  but does anyone know when (and maybe who) they started their own water baptism rite?

  couldn't find much in the 'proclaimers' book.

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  lost-in-time

  Check this! Yearbook 1978 page 86:

  Many who became pioneers in those days [193X] did so without having been baptized. Even the branch director, Brother Dos Santos, was not baptized until October of 1935. It was not until the book Riches appeared in 1936 that baptism began to be given the proper emphasis in the Philippines. On page 145 of that book it was made clear that “submitting to be immersed in water is an act of obedience illustrating how one has fully put himself in the hands of the Lord, and therefore baptism is necessary and proper to be performed by all who have agreed to do the will of God.”
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  WTS contradicts themselves on Light

  by still_in74 in

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  hey all, i posted this in another thread but thought it deserved its own.. here is a perfect example of the blatant disregard wt writers show towards previously written articles.

  they just write what sounds good at the time without considering the fact that they just might be actually contradicting themselves.. so here it is:.

  flip-flop alert!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

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  lost-in-time

  So, to the GB guidelines, is anyone who does not _first_ be in line with the GB, an apostate. Paul must have been an apostate then :).

  Nooo, check this! WT 2008 05 15 page 24:
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  Can we get a Newbie head count?

  by kzjw in

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  i haven't been here long...so is it just me or are the long standing jwd members noticing an influx of newbies?

  to me it seems they are on the rise!

  newbies stand up on this thread, be counted -- and welcomed!

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  lost-in-time

  count me? i'm not regular...
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  Why we must obey the F&DS - according to this "brother"

  by bud2114 in

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  some may have seen this tid-bit being passed around in certain jw email circles.

  a "deeply concerned" jw relative (who knows i have soured on the whole jw thing) emailed this to me in hopes that it would improve my attitude.

  at first i was just going to thank them for their concern and for the "encourgaging" email, but then i decided i must respond to this.

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  lost-in-time

  was at an assembly day recently, and the brother from Bethel (Brother Little) actually said "if the faithful and discreet slave tells us to jump, we should say "how high?"......and while we're on the way up........:" (I guess he's in agreement with the cult mentality)

  Just like "Simon says" game!
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  'Easy' argument to disprove jw teaching? - Needing input...

  by esw1966 in

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  thinking out loud - my belief is that jw follows a false gospel.

  that they got it wrong.

  now, how to 'prove' that to a family member who is still jw?.

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  lost-in-time

  Try this one:

  - Jesus become King in October 1914 ("You Can Leave Forever..." page 141; "Reasoning..." pages 96, 97)

  - After that, Jesus hurled Satan down to the earth (WT Dec 15, 2003 page 28; WT Jan 15, 2004 page 12 par. 13)

  - After that, Satan started "time of the end" with World War I (WT Dec 1, 1954 page 710; WT May 15, 1983 pages 22, 23), which was started last week of July 1914, or at least two months before October 1914!

  In other word, fiery-colored horse start to ride two months before white horse, according to WT!!!
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  The (missing) brackets in the NWT

  by kifoy in

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  2. bible

  it was a great day, that convention day they announced that the new world translation now was to be released in the norwegian language.

  first the greek scriptures in 1991, and in 1996 the whole bible.

  finally we too were able to read the best translation ever made!

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  lost-in-time

  Well, if propovijedanje (have I got the right word?) cannot mean "the message" (about the cross, which is the point of the passage), it does miss something imo. But if I'm not mistaken you have not quoted the Croatian NWT for this one.

  We have two words: "propovijedanje" (act of preaching, without content) and "propovijed" (message of the preaching, or sermon, for example "propovijed na gori" = "sermon on the mount"),

  NWT: " ali Bog je odlucio da ludošcu onoga što se propovijeda spasi one koji vjeruju." "but God decided through the foolishness of what is preached to save those believing." This is literal word-to-word translation.

  HBK: "svidjelo se Bogu ludošcu propovijedanja spasiti vjernike." " God saw good through the foolishness of the preaching to save believers." This is literal word-to-word translation too, with "preaching" = act of preaching, no matter what is content of the preaching.

  Possible variant: "ludošcu propovijedi" ("foolishness of the message of the preaching", or "foolishness of the sermon") is short, nice, but maybe less accurate than "ludošcu onoga što se propovijeda" ("foolishness of what is preached").

  Of course, NWT is NWT, but it is good to see that new editions has some freedom to choose better solutions than English NWT.

  But as you say the Croatian NWT does show unusual signs of independence from the English NWT. Maybe we'll see the translator posting here someday...

  looking forward... :))
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  The (missing) brackets in the NWT

  by kifoy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  it was a great day, that convention day they announced that the new world translation now was to be released in the norwegian language.

  first the greek scriptures in 1991, and in 1996 the whole bible.

  finally we too were able to read the best translation ever made!

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  lost-in-time

  Actually an ambiguous word like "proclamation" (better than "preaching," inasmuch as kèrux, "herald," is not a particularly "religious" term), meaning both the act of proclaiming and the message proclaimed, is quite correct.

  In Croatian translations, there is no doubt about meanings. In this case (1. Cor. 1:21) NWT is more precise than official catholic translation?!

  As to John 7:46, thanks for clarification. Obviously, Croatian NWT is not just a simple copy/paste from English NWT, it frequently uses solutions from existing catholic translation, rather then English NWT.
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  Aid To Bible Understanding--PDF--by request!

  by Atlantis in

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  aid to bible understanding--by request!

  request from researcher: i saw a post with a download link to the aid book but i can't find it now.

  do you have a download link i can get?

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  lost-in-time

  Atlantis, you are true FDS of this forum...
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  The (missing) brackets in the NWT

  by kifoy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  it was a great day, that convention day they announced that the new world translation now was to be released in the norwegian language.

  first the greek scriptures in 1991, and in 1996 the whole bible.

  finally we too were able to read the best translation ever made!

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  lost-in-time

  They removed the brackets from the paperback editions of the English NWT - Col. 1:15, 16. You can find them in the old hardback editions. No mentions made of the wonderful changes (tongue in cheek) - just a quiet removal of brackets and pretend that the word was always there.

  Croatian NWT completely omit word "other" in all places in Col. 1:16-20, except: 17 Also, he is before all other things
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  The (missing) brackets in the NWT

  by kifoy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  it was a great day, that convention day they announced that the new world translation now was to be released in the norwegian language.

  first the greek scriptures in 1991, and in 1996 the whole bible.

  finally we too were able to read the best translation ever made!

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  lost-in-time

  Interesting, other Croatian translations (catholics) says "foolishness of the preaching"!?

  http://www.hbk.hr/biblija/nz/p1kor.htm#p1kor1

  (21) Doista, kad svijet u mudrosti Božjoj Boga ne upozna mudrošcu, svidjelo se Bogu ludošcu propovijedanja spasiti vjernike.

  BTW, John 7:46 in Croatian: " Stražari su odgovorili: “Nikada nitko nije tako govorio"", "never nobody not spoke like this" (in Croatian, multiple negations does not revoke each other)