Glad to see this thread. I got tired of debating unreasonable people so I stopped even looking at the 911 threads when I saw three separate threads (started by the same crackpot) on one page here. I don't really have anything to add, I agree with what's been said.
Galileo
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I cannot "unprove" every single wild-side 911 theory...
by james_woods inhere is what i received this morning from an enthusiast.... james-woods, do you remember leoleoia (wrong spelling) whom you supported vehemently on this subject?
i've been waiting for her comments, and, still waiting.
as for you, you've taken the course of least resistance, you decided to ignore me and not address the issue.
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Proof, proof, gimme some proof!!!
by Slappy inatheists clamor for proof of godas existence.
give us hard, physical proof they say, and then weall believe.
if evolution truly happened, how did that one apersona that evolved from monkeys learn to speak and write?
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Galileo
I think there's allot more to the evolution theory than just man from monkey belief that makes it impossible for me to believe . We'll start with the big bang and go through how the universe slows down enough to reform but yet continues to expand and then all the countless collisions that happened to form planets from asteroids and then some how amino acids become biological life forms after falling in earths oceans ..... sorry not buying it.........
Again, this is not evolution. Just go ahead and say you reject all science and be done with it.
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Proof, proof, gimme some proof!!!
by Slappy inatheists clamor for proof of godas existence.
give us hard, physical proof they say, and then weall believe.
if evolution truly happened, how did that one apersona that evolved from monkeys learn to speak and write?
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Galileo
"life came from life"
As besty said, this doesn't have anything to do with evolution, but I wanted to comment on it anyway since Creationists often use this misleading language as if they have some sort of point. They will say that life has only been observed or known to come from life, which is true but an incomplete statement. The fact is that amongst the higher animals, life only has been observed to come from life through sexual reproduction. A few lower life forms can reproduce asexually. But this is still a far cry from ever witnessing a life form of any sort creating an entirely new and unrelated form of life with his hands or through a magic spirit. "Life only comes from life" no more supports your idea that an invisible magic giant created all life than it supports abiogenesis. So unless your idea is that God had sex with the earth and impregnated it with all life forms, you can shut up about that one.
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ADAM HAD 8 PIGMENTION GENES IN HIS CELLS!
by badboy ini understand that someone once asked why if adam was the first human,where all the different human skin colours come from, so the jw said that adam had 8 different pigmentions in his cells.
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And that scripture is...?
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Proof, proof, gimme some proof!!!
by Slappy inatheists clamor for proof of godas existence.
give us hard, physical proof they say, and then weall believe.
if evolution truly happened, how did that one apersona that evolved from monkeys learn to speak and write?
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Galileo
I believe this can apply in the reverse also, no? A non-believer asking for proof when his/her mind is already made up about the non-existence of God.
The difference is that we weren't born non-believers. Almost everyone carries a belief system very similar to their parents. Muslems tend to stay Muslems. Mormons tend to stay Mormons. Hindus tend to stay Hindus, etc. It is the rare person that can examine their belief system and find it flawed. You are a Christian, and you were raised a Christian, albeit a different denomination. That doesn't mean that it is impossible that your belief system is correct, but it does mean that someones opinion that has examined their belief and disagreed with it carries more weight. That person's belief system is not based on the blind luck of the philosophy they were raised with.
If you were born an Aztec you would believe fervently in the snake god Quetzalcoatl. If you were born a Viking you would believe in Thor. If you were born in Afghanistan you would pray to Allah five times a day. You could use your rational for believing in the Christian god to believe in these as well. The same could not be said for me, nor for many others on this board. We have rejected the superstitions we were born into. My mind is not made up about the non-existence of god. If evidence could be produced for his existence, I could be persuaded to believe. I simply refuse to believe in anything for which there is no evidence. That is why I reject Quetzacoatl, Thor, Allah, and Jehovah alike. There is no difference in evidence for believing one over the others. There is only the accident of birth.
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Why Evolution Should Be Taught
by hamilcarr inwhy evolutionary biology is a crucial part of the curriculum .... .
optimism in evolution.
by olivia judsonlondon.
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Galileo
The distinction is made and more often then you want to admit.
I could just as easily point out that if macroevolution was a fact, beyond any reasonable doubt.... then why aren't Jewish boys born without foreskin. The Jews have been circumcising on the 8th day for how many years? Why do I still have to shave/wax my legs, underarms and bikini?.....
I love it when Creationists put their ignorance on display. This is a more effective demonstration of the intellectual vaccuum that is the creationist brain trust than any rebuttal by an evolutionist could be. Please, Creationists, continue with your dissertation on evolution. I'll get you started: Why don't we see monkey's giving birth to pine cones or human's birthing dolphins? How about sharing "The Atheists Nightmare"?:
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Proof, proof, gimme some proof!!!
by Slappy inatheists clamor for proof of godas existence.
give us hard, physical proof they say, and then weall believe.
if evolution truly happened, how did that one apersona that evolved from monkeys learn to speak and write?
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Galileo
First off, I'm sorry you think I've been snide. I've actually gone out of my way not to be. Honestly, I'm trying to have sympathy for you because I was once where you are now, so I'm biting my tongue.
http://www.thetech.org/genetics/ask.php?id=229 Maybe that wasn't the exact article you would have had me to read, but it was first one I came across in Google.
That certainly wasn't a bad article, but I would suggest next time maybe reading more than just the first article on Google. One thing that wasn't made very clear in that article is that scientists didn't just happen to find the fused chromosome. It was known for a long time before that chromosome was found that Apes had 24 Chromosome pairs and humans had 23. This seemed strange if humans and apes had a common ancestor. Darwinian evolution predicted that at some point two pairs must have fused into one. Scientists tested this hypothesis, and it was proven correct. This sort of thing has happened time and again with Darwinian evolution. Unlike the bible, which states that plants were created before the sun and that epilepsy is caused by demonic posession, Darwinian evolution has been established more firmly the more we learn about life.
ERV insertions, although a harder concept to grasp, is in my opinion much stronger evidence for evolution than the fused 23rd chromosome pair in humans. I would encourage you to research this until you understand it.
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Proof, proof, gimme some proof!!!
by Slappy inatheists clamor for proof of godas existence.
give us hard, physical proof they say, and then weall believe.
if evolution truly happened, how did that one apersona that evolved from monkeys learn to speak and write?
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Galileo
I want to know what is so damn convincing about evolution that one would rather believe 'that' than in God.
This is a false dichotemy. As has been pointed out many times, the vast majority of those that accept evolution also believe in god. Not the vast majority of accomplished scientists, granted, but there are still some, such as the brilliant Kenneth Miller, who so deftly demolished Michael Behe's "irreducible complexity" hypothesis in the Dover trial. Dr. Miller is a devout Catholic. I myself was just the opposite, I stopped believing in any god after doing extensive research on the history of the bible, but it was still years before I became convinced of evolution.
You mentioned that you thought evolution says humans came from monkeys. This statement is indeed one that shows great ignorance of even the most basic understanding of evolution. You are speaking of Lamarckian evolution, an idea that is older than Darwin and an idea that Darwin proved wrong. Darwinian evolutionary theory teaches that in the distant past both humans and monkeys had a common ancestor.
As for strong evidence for evolution, here are a couple of my favorites, although I doubt you will take the time to actually look into them:
Endoginous Retroviral (ERV) insertions.
The fused 23rd chromosome in humans.
I could make a much longer list, but those two should keep you busy and baffled for quite some time, if investigated properly.
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Proof, proof, gimme some proof!!!
by Slappy inatheists clamor for proof of godas existence.
give us hard, physical proof they say, and then weall believe.
if evolution truly happened, how did that one apersona that evolved from monkeys learn to speak and write?
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Galileo
Matthew and John were both disciples of Jesus, Luke was not a disciple
Yes but there is no evidence that any of these men wrote the gospels that later came to bear their names, as I already alluded to.
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Proof, proof, gimme some proof!!!
by Slappy inatheists clamor for proof of godas existence.
give us hard, physical proof they say, and then weall believe.
if evolution truly happened, how did that one apersona that evolved from monkeys learn to speak and write?
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Galileo
Slappy, Pseudo gave you some good advice. Reading up on some biblical scholarship rather than biblical apologism can help you understand where us skeptics are coming from. Something else to research is how and when the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John got their names, since they are all anonymous.