Posts by keinlezard

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Elder told me that they are required to report to police.

by CitizenofEarth in

yesterday i had my weekly "mandatory" study with an elder, and i brought up child abuse and the whole issue with reporting it to the police.

he told me that they are required to report to the police immediately, and that they never deter people from reporting anything.

may i remind you that i am from denmark.. i find this interesting, as everything i find elsewhere states quite the opposite, or atleast provides statements that does not agree with his statements.

keinlezard

hello,

here in France normally "must reporting to the police" but in fact not.

Some month ago 2 elders come on "visite pastorale" and they talk about 1 case in the congregation

but at this time no report to the police neither "exclusion".

I think that they continue with "two witnesses rules" .

I suppose that Elders said "we report to police" but the reality is sadly different. According to declarations of Lett "pedophilia is apostates lies and dishonesty" or with A. Morris when he said the curious parallel between pedophiles and homosexuality

21

JW news release and deception - The "High-Profile Case" in Russia

by jwleaks in

i found this interesting bit of news release propaganda by the jws on their website dated april 5, 2017.. "russia's supreme court begins high-profile case against jehovah's witnesses".

https://www.jw.org/en/news/releases/by-region/russia/supreme-court-begins-case-against-jehovahs-witnesses/.

my interest was piqued by the jw claim that the court hearing is a "high-profile case".

keinlezard

Hello,

but the photograf has nothing to do with ... Jw trials !

It's a take from June 2006

http://www.apimages.com/metadata/Index/AP-I-RUS-RUSSIA-SUPREME-COURT/514dee910c02db11af9f0014c2589dfb/16/0

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Jehovah's witness doctrine on "only 144,000 are born again" easily debunked!

by yogosans14 in

these verses in particular were an eye opener for me.

of course in the jws i thought only 144,000 are truly born again and are part of the new covenant but the bible says else wise.

i know most here will disagree with me but try to have a open mind here :).

keinlezard

Yesterday at memorial speaker says only few of anointed are present on earth,

I habitually hear "8 000" anointed ... but since 2 or 3 years I hear "we see the end is near because there is only 0.09% of anointed" ...

It seem to me very strange this manner ... they know that there is a problem with the 144 000 but they continue to repeat again and again that there is "few" ... even if they must lie :(

27

Go bags?

by punkofnice in

i heard recently that there was a talk given at the kh about having a 'go bag' ready because the big 'a' must be soooo close as evidenced by syria and the russian jobo thing.. does anyone know if this 'go bag' thing is substantiated in publications or just a local nut job being paranoid and attention seeking?.

i also wonder about this 'go bag' thing, apparently, you need to make sure your biscuits (that's cookies to my over the pond friends), are not out of date.

don't carry water, it's too heavy.. too many questions do i have.

keinlezard

Hello,

Until now I did not have heard something like this in France.

except some years ago ( 1999 ) after a tempest that destroy homes and forest in my country ...

G

18

The Russian letters

by purrpurr in

so all the jw's i know are practically wetting their pants in excitement over the russian letters they are sending out.

they seem to have this insane idea that putin's office will be pulled sky high with all these letters and they have this image in their imaginations of him having to open and read every letter (!).

also all the jw's i know have all put their name and address on the letter... which couldn't have any repercussions of course (!

keinlezard

Hello,

As the letters are wrote to members of Russian Government ... this kind of action can be see as an political lobbying but ... JW must be "neutral" regarding the political action !

Another thing , is as they must respect "all government as they are in place by the will of God" how can they

could try to force a governement to influe a judicial decision ???

JW ( formely the GB ) see they did not believe to the power separation : judicial and political.

And maybe the last thing ... GB believe really that write to Putine could change the final decision ???

I believe rather than Poutine will become more anger against JW ... then the final result could be worse for Russian witnesses ...

At last, it seem that GB play a dangerous game only to be like "martyr" and to says "we are prosecuted" ...

the only thing that the GB could make to forgive the pedophiles trials and commision ...

Then JW looks in direction of Russian ban ... and not in australia for example :(

26

Observations from an Ex-Elder Part 2 - Cart Work

by doubtfull1799 in

up until i left recently i was participating in the cart work.

in the location where we used to set up near our local mall we never had one person stop and take literature or stop and chat - other than fellow brothers.

i thought maybe it was just a bad location or something.

keinlezard

Hello,

My Though is ... cart witnessing was another manner to decrease the print materials ... after the decrease from

2 watchtower and 2 awake by month ... WTBS did only 1 of each by month ... then to avoid that jw think

"hum it's strange we did not have nothing to give during preaching" the GB print 16 pages awake and Watchtower , and only 8 millions of study version of 32 pages ...

Now to decrease again without tells it to jw ... GB say ... "Cart Witnessing" ... and jw are preaching .. but less publications are printed :)

And Jw are always busy ... and don't think about it :(

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Judge sanctions WTS - $4k per day penalty for not producing sex abuse documents

by Simon in

judge sanctions jehovah's witnesses.

imposes $4000-a-day penalty for not producing documents in sex-abuse case.

by dorian hargrove, june 24, 2016. a san diego superior court judge has ordered the church of jehovah's witnesses, also known as the watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, to pay $4000 a day for every day that it fails to produce documents requested in a civil lawsuit brought by former parishioner, osbaldo padron, who claims a church elder sexually abused him when he was seven years old.. in a june 23 ruling, expected to be made final today, judge richard strauss admonished the church for willfully ignoring a court order to produce all documents associated with a 1997 body of elders letter that church leaders sent to parishes around the world in a quest to learn about sexual abuse of children by church leaders.. over the course of the past year, the watchtower society and its lawyers have fought hard to keep the letter confidential, claiming that turning over the documents would infringe on the privacy of those mentioned in the letter that were not associated with the case.. in march 2015, the church turned over a heavily redacted version of the letter.

keinlezard

Hello,

As reported by jwsurvey the fine is now at 995 740 $ so neard of the million $ !

And just for a little paper that the WT have !

how dangerous is this paper for the WT ... that they prefer to keep it and pay the fine ?

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Elders School 2017: New instructions to handle sexual abuses?

by sp74bb in

an informant in spanish forum, active elder in a congregation in madrid (spain) has posted new info regarding elders school 2017. important changes are to be done for "child" or sexual abuses.

https://abusostj.vbulletin.net/forum/main-forum/audiencias-judiciales/5506-escuela-de-ancianos-2017.

doing a summary:.

keinlezard

Hello,

If I understand correctly

- The victim might be asked to sign a statement according he/she is aware of the possibility to report to the authorities.

The victim now will be informed that he/she could report the crime to the authority but how a young victims can understand that. If in the same time, Elders say "you must forgive" and when young victim is alone before elder. It seems to me that the WT and GB want to protect them from new prosecution. They could they "victim signs she/he is aware of his possibility to reporting to the authority" but at the same time they acts to force victims to not report by forgive pressure.

The look like bulgaria and blood policies .. jw are not "disfellowed" by Organisation, but if they accept blood they disfellow themself from Organisation.

I don't know if you understand my poor english

10

New and confused

by Catareta in

jw
friends

please don't hate on me.. im a 30 something blind woman, who has been aware of the witnesses a while.

after my dad died five years ago - i questioned my own faith - christian (anglican).

tried everything - the occult, new churches etc.. 3 years ago i was suggested to have a study by a good friend who is jw.

keinlezard

Hello,

The little frenchy answer :) ( sorry for my poor english ) . I'm jw on the paper. since I discover all problems inside de Watchtower. I'm always in congregation, but my only way is the Bible and not the Watchtower and GB """truth""""

Are you baptized ? if no ... that would be simple ... You can continue to see your """friends""" from congregation. without continue to assists all assembly or reunion or publishing ( I stop to publish ... now since 6 month )

But, one question ... Are they really friends if they make a condition as "stay with jw" to continue friendship ?

It seems to me they are not really friends, but only interested people ! Only that was very strange and curious manner.

I am sure outside jw you can find real friends ... but it is only your own fear that stops you to approach other people ... read your first sentence "I'm a 30 something blind woman" ...

I read somebody , who excuses to be a little different ... you are EXACTLY as the other with your particularity you are blind ... you are just different like someone can be redhead , or , black .. today disable people are "PEOPLE" before be "disable"

Be confident to you !

30 it's the beginning of life !

Youre life is on your hand .. but you must accept sometime to suffer , the "jw" protection is a fake ... they want to use you and abuse you.

Be free !

Greetings

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Anthony Morris Made a special appearance on JW Broadcasting to talk child abuse.

by NikL in

just popped on to see if december broadcast was up and it's not.. however, there is a new vid of bro.

morris addressing child abuse within the org.. https://tv.jw.org/#en/video/vodstudio/pub-jwban_201507_2_video.

keinlezard

Hello,

Yes this video is old ... but what I see when I loot at this video is Morris is a liar

remember some facts

https://tv.jw.org/#en/video/VODProgramsEvents/pub-jwbmw_201502_5_VIDEO

https://tv.jw.org/#fr/video/VODStudio/pub-jwb_201507_1_VIDEO

each video are , 2015 video ... but

Trials Conti and Lopez was in 2012 and 2015

We have to the declaration of Gerrit Lösch in june 2014

http://www.alameda.courts.ca.gov/Pages.aspx/Criminal-Record-Requests

http://courtindex.sdcourt.ca.gov/CISPublic/casedetail?casenum=201200099849&casesite=SD&applcode=C

then I see Lett and Morris as liars ..

because they declares pedophiles are lies of apostates and opponent ( Lett ) and Morris pedophiles are from gays ... after this 2 trials ... 1 years after they pay 20 millions $ !!!!

They know that.

Another thing I see ... and it's a shame on jw the refuse to see these.

Jackson passed before CRA ... with "1006 pedophiles cases" ...

Then the video on tv.jw.org in first page ... tells me "Authorities we , jw and GB , we f**k you"

That say Watchtower will not change ... they are going "headlong rush" ( sorry I don"t know the real terms )

Greetings