That seems so petty... I love the WTcomments videos on YouTube. Such a fuss about 3 seconds of footage. I hope that these videos will still be accessible to the public.
Posts by Moxie
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74"KNOCKING" LEGAL ACTION AGAINST WATCHTOWER COMMENTS
by V inthis notice was emailed to a third party who embeds watchtower comments videos on his blog:.
"my name is tom shepard, co-producer and co-director of knocking, a documentary about jehovah's witnesses.
you have violated u.s. copyright law by not gaining permission to use footage from knocking in the opening sequence of your series of short videos "watchtower comments" archived at the url: http://jehovahswitnessesvideo.blogspot.com/2008_03_01_archive.html .
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What proof is there of evolution?
by hotchocolate inbeing raised a witness, throughout my life i've always switched off when i heard an argument for evolution.
so i know almost nothing about the subject, except what i was taught in the "evolution vs creation" book, and i'm guessing that wasn't entirely impartial.
i think of the arguments put forth by witnesses about the amazing design in nature, thereby proving a creator.
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LtCmd.Lore
"http://richarddawkins.net/growingupintheuniverse (You can download them for free if you have high speed internet.)
This is a great video series about the basics of evolutionary theory. It's designed for kids, but like you I didn't know jack about evolution when I was a witness either, so it was right on my level... "
I second this motion, Richard Dawkins is clear and succinct and is a great source of information if you want to begin to learn about evolution. His books cover beginner to intermediate levels of evolutionary biology, which I have found very, very helpful.
"Moxie"
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Ex-JWs... feelings of isolation, agoraphobia...?
by Moxie inhi all... :) sorry for the novel.... i'm just wondering if there are any others out there who share similar experiences as me or have any comments and insight.... when i was a jw i was very, very social and active with friends and family in a wide range of activities.
i would even have considered myself the party-starter ;).
i used to plan events and social get togethers for all kinds of situations.
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I am truly amazed to see that others can relate to my feelings and experiences on such a deep level. I really thought that I was alone in this, that perhaps it was just me... it is very comforting to know that I am not alone and it gives me courage to continue to fight. Over the last little while, being here has helped me. Finding a community of people who really understand is a first. I feel that venting my frustrations here on the forum and on my new blog (www.exjw.wordpress.com) is so liberating I can't even express it. It is like therapy.
To those of you who are suffering similar things, I want to give you all a big hug... my heart goes out to you. Thank you for sharing your stories and your words of encouragement.
"Moxie"
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Back on!! Whew!!
by nomoreguilt inboy, what withdrawl when the board does down.
glad to see everyone survived.
oh, and happy easter to you, for whatever it may mean for you.
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Moxie
Hooray!!!!! Thanks!!!
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Ex-JWs... feelings of isolation, agoraphobia...?
by Moxie inhi all... :) sorry for the novel.... i'm just wondering if there are any others out there who share similar experiences as me or have any comments and insight.... when i was a jw i was very, very social and active with friends and family in a wide range of activities.
i would even have considered myself the party-starter ;).
i used to plan events and social get togethers for all kinds of situations.
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Hi CoCo, I can see that I'm not alone in this afterall.... I can sympathize. Thank you.
I really appreciate your words; expecially about helping others. I can agree that giving of yourself and helping people can really cause happiness and joy. Thus the old saying, it is better to give than to receive.
"Moxie"
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Ex-JWs... feelings of isolation, agoraphobia...?
by Moxie inhi all... :) sorry for the novel.... i'm just wondering if there are any others out there who share similar experiences as me or have any comments and insight.... when i was a jw i was very, very social and active with friends and family in a wide range of activities.
i would even have considered myself the party-starter ;).
i used to plan events and social get togethers for all kinds of situations.
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Moxie
R.Crusoe - thanks for sharing this... sometimes I think that I'm the only one. I'm sorry that you're going through this too. Do you ever wonder why this is? I mean, did you start experiencing this after you left the JWs?
I feel that the shunning I experienced was the catalyst to this downward spiral of depression and isolation. Over time I developed the belief and fear that no one can understand what it is like to be rejected by all your family and friends; to have your entire community shun you over a difference of opinion. I guess this experience has me thinking (perhaps subconsciously) that all relationships and friendships are conditional. If my own family will reject me over a difference of belief, then why even bother with anyone else....? I find it so hard to feel a connection with people. I feel that I have experienced so much that a normal person hasn't, that I was raised in a different world... not for the better. Yet I feel that I have so much depth, passion, strength and compassion but I can't relate to others or they just don't "get" me. I feel alone....
Hortensia - Thank you for your kind words. To be honest, nothing I have tried has really helped. I went to a shrink a few years back, but it just made me angry (and I don't want to be an angry person). Really the only way I get past these feelings is just to get out there and try to conquor my fears head on.... but to do this I have to put myself in a state of denial and really just ignore the bigger problem. I don't know what to do!!!! I'm a 26 year old woman, who has everything going for her, but I feel like I'm throwing my life away... that I'm letting it slip through my fingers.... :(
Maybe this community will help... it's been great so far in that I've been able to vocalize things that I've harbored inside for years and years... and most of the wonderful people here have first hand experience and can relate....
"Moxie"
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What's more important??
by The Last Nephilim ini'm placing this into the "scandals and coverups" section for good reason, i think.
a few days ago i had an elder and one of "the anointed" come by to encourage my wife and i to "get back to the meetings before it's too late".
i proceeded to tell him a few of the reasons why i've lost confidence in the elders and the organization, and he retorted with a real- life example of how i need to see that although the "brothers" can make mistakes, it's best to accept it as "jehovah's will" and play along.
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Can anyone say POLITICS !!!!
This story just sickens me. Their "reasoning" behind this makes me think of politicians and their bull$h*t propaganda.
Truth is truth, lying is wrong. These elders actions are deplorable for what they did to the innocent brother... And, the innocent brother is an idiot for playing along. Of course I don't mean to insult him personally, I have a great deal of pity for the situation he was in... but it just makes my blood boil to hear this account and how they manipulated the situation to cover up the scandal.
"Moxie"
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What proof is there of evolution?
by hotchocolate inbeing raised a witness, throughout my life i've always switched off when i heard an argument for evolution.
so i know almost nothing about the subject, except what i was taught in the "evolution vs creation" book, and i'm guessing that wasn't entirely impartial.
i think of the arguments put forth by witnesses about the amazing design in nature, thereby proving a creator.
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Yes Tsar Robles, regarding your comment, I have often thought of the same thing and because of that can't get consider myself quite a true atheist. I believe that there was a probably a creator at some initial stage, but after that I leave it up to the complex workings of evolution.
As for the flood story, when I heard that argument I found it very interesting. Either it proves that evolution is undeniably true or that the biblical account is false. My bet is a combination of the two.
"Moxie"
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Ex-JWs... feelings of isolation, agoraphobia...?
by Moxie inhi all... :) sorry for the novel.... i'm just wondering if there are any others out there who share similar experiences as me or have any comments and insight.... when i was a jw i was very, very social and active with friends and family in a wide range of activities.
i would even have considered myself the party-starter ;).
i used to plan events and social get togethers for all kinds of situations.
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Moxie
Hi all... :) Sorry for the novel...
I'm just wondering if there are any others out there who share similar experiences as me or have any comments and insight...
When I was a JW I was very, very social and active with friends and family in a wide range of activities. I would even have considered myself the party-starter ;). I used to plan events and social get togethers for all kinds of situations. Point being: I never had any problem making friends or getting out of the house to have fun...
Since I left over 8 years ago, I feel that part of me has died. It's almost as if that was another person. Now I suffer what you may consider borderline agoraphobia. This has gotten progressively worse. I suffer severe anxiety and panic when I even have to think about leaving the house and do everything that I can to stay in (going to work is the only exception). I get very distressed at the ringing of my phone, and often (even though I feel very bad about it) I don't answer and let it go to voice mail. I have a few very close friends and confidants who understand what I'm going through and are very patient with me, and I really cherish that. Once I actually go out somewhere I'm fine, as long as I have the means to escape at will. If I ever feel "trapped" I start to suffer from panic attacks (which I try my darndest to hide).
Anyway, my point is, as time goes on I find myself more and more isolated, alone and depressed.I find that I'm not that interested in meeting new people (that's not a snobbish attitude, but a fear of investing in others, of being let down by them, or of them expecting too much from me. I can never seem to open myself up, and as a result always feel at arms length, but in my heart I know that I have so much to give and to share. Even in relationships, I find it very hard to open up and share any kind of emotional intimacy.
This just keeps getting worse and I wonder if it has to do with being abandoned, rejected and shunned by my JW family and friends. I was only 18 when I was DF'd and had absolutely no one to get me through it all. Now I'm 26, and still feel utterly alone but in all other respects I'd consider myself successful; career is great, home is my castle. I know it's self inflicted but the question is why do I keep doing this?!
I'd like to know if there are others who experience similar fears & issues.... and if anyone has any advice or insight I'd really appreciate it.
"Moxie"
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What proof is there of evolution?
by hotchocolate inbeing raised a witness, throughout my life i've always switched off when i heard an argument for evolution.
so i know almost nothing about the subject, except what i was taught in the "evolution vs creation" book, and i'm guessing that wasn't entirely impartial.
i think of the arguments put forth by witnesses about the amazing design in nature, thereby proving a creator.
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I can recall another point that I heard recently and is certainly thought provoking. It's regarding the account of the ark. In the story of the ark... Noah was instructed to preserve the animal life on the planet by carrying them in the ark itself. The Bible describes the size and dimensions of the ark that was used to house Noah's family and all of the animals. Now in modern day, consider how many animals and animal species are on the earth. It is a scientific fact that in nature a new species is not formed through cross breeding, and yet we see millions of animal, insect, bird and marine species on the planet. It would have been impossible for Noah to house all the animal life in the ark that we see on the earth today even if he housed only a male and female of each in the ark.
This leads us to two possible theories:
- The biblical account of the world-wide flood is false.
- The biblical account of the world-wide flood is true, and we see extremely excellerated evolution of animals to account for the millions of species which now inhabit it.
Some interesting food for thought...
"Moxie"