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Play the Devil's Advocate

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so my family wants to talk to me about my "doubts" and i know they'll try to defend everything they can in any way that they can so i just want to be prepared and see what they might say (what you would have said as a witness or what you've heard others say) so that i could rebut it on the spot.. if the fds is directed by the holy spirit why have they been wrong before?

"light gets brighter...." but that's not the case because there would be no reason to go back to old policies after changing them...the light certainly doesn't get brighter, then darker, then brighter, etc.if god is omniscient why did he create satan knowing he would rebel or adam and eve knowing they would sin?

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So my family wants to talk to me about my "doubts" and I know they'll try to defend everything they can in any way that they can so I just want to be prepared and see what they might say (what you would have said as a Witness or what you've heard others say) so that I could rebut it on the spot.

If the FDS is directed by the Holy Spirit why have they been wrong before? "Light gets brighter...." But that's not the case because there would be no reason to go back to old policies after changing them...the light certainly doesn't get brighter, then darker, then brighter, etc.
If God is omniscient why did he create Satan knowing he would rebel or Adam and Eve knowing they would sin?

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Aborted Babies and Miscarriages: Resurrected or no?

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i'm sure most jws would say they wouldn't be resurrected because they were never born and because they have no family/don't know anyone, but doesn't that defeat the belief that (in psalms i believe it's found) a fertilized egg is as valuable as any other human life?.

does anyone have any quotations from the watchtowers?.

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Yeah perusing the study magazine i just realized the question had been asked. :( They gave no answer...why take a question to which tehre is no answer?

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After you left JWs, did you join another organized religion?

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if yes, how did you choose it?.

if no, why?.

albert.

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No I'm an atheist.

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Aborted Babies and Miscarriages: Resurrected or no?

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i'm sure most jws would say they wouldn't be resurrected because they were never born and because they have no family/don't know anyone, but doesn't that defeat the belief that (in psalms i believe it's found) a fertilized egg is as valuable as any other human life?.

does anyone have any quotations from the watchtowers?.

nbernat

I'm sure most JWs would say they wouldn't be resurrected because they were never born and because they have no family/don't know anyone, but doesn't that defeat the belief that (in Psalms I believe it's found) a fertilized egg is as valuable as any other human life?

Does anyone have any quotations from the Watchtowers?

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Governing Body Talks @ Convention

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well the convention was extremely long and boring but i decided to take specific notes on brother morris's talks for discussion here on jwd (and i was also able to get a few extra copies of the creation dvd so if anyone wants one, pm me).. overall, the brother is not a great orator and sometimes awkwardly raises his voice.

i am aware that some of the friends were a little disappointed to say the least that we did not get a more "famous" gb brother at the first international convention, but he speaks for the gb, so same difference.. it felt like most of his talks were around a.

) countering criticism about jws and b.

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Yeah, that's who he reminded me of! I was comparing him to Dick Cheney, but HW Bush's voice is what I was going for.

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Updated Governing Body Member Points at IC

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*sorry for the near triple post.

i figured i'm going to have to break it down so everyone can see.*.

point #1. we are like children playing outside innocently whose mother freaks out once she sees that the ignorant child finds a snake and starts playing with it.

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I'm using Mozilla.

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Updated Governing Body Member Points at IC

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*sorry for the near triple post.

i figured i'm going to have to break it down so everyone can see.*.

point #1. we are like children playing outside innocently whose mother freaks out once she sees that the ignorant child finds a snake and starts playing with it.

nbernat

Exactly-- how can they claim good knowledge in the early 20th century but not allow us to criticize their light back then too?

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Updated Governing Body Member Points at IC

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*sorry for the near triple post.

i figured i'm going to have to break it down so everyone can see.*.

point #1. we are like children playing outside innocently whose mother freaks out once she sees that the ignorant child finds a snake and starts playing with it.

nbernat

Lol. Yeah that's what I've always asked myself. If they claim divine wisdom for some dates, why not claim them for all?

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Updated Governing Body Member Points at IC

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*sorry for the near triple post.

i figured i'm going to have to break it down so everyone can see.*.

point #1. we are like children playing outside innocently whose mother freaks out once she sees that the ignorant child finds a snake and starts playing with it.

nbernat

July 1 st 1945-- Christians should recognize the sanctity of blood and by 1961 no Witness accepted a blood transfusion. Medical organizations did not start warning of the risks involved with transfusions until afterwards. How can we deny that the JWs are not God’s organization? We knew beforehand the threats human blood posed!

Point #9

I found this part rather amusing…not sure if he did this on purpose but he said. “Let’s set the record STRAIGHT, we have brothers and sisters who used to be homosexuals. We can overcome conducts. We must hate the conduct, not the people.”

Point #10

Satan is promoting evolution nowadays providing so-called links and having people accept it as fact BLINDLY. Ummm…blindly? And surely JWs follow the Organization open-eyedly? I'm sure the GB's spirit-guided claims are more valid than fossils.

Point #11

Many of our young people live in big cities and haven’t seen creation up-close—now they can with the new DVD! ***CLAPS AND CHEERS***

God’s creation reflects His wonderful qualities.

Like rage? Read: volcanoes?

Point #12

1914 and 1942 are two key dates. In 1914, WWI started and the Society taught that Christ had begun to rule and thrown Satan out of heaven. In 1942, the Society taught that the king mentioned in Revelation that was would rise again with a new name was the League of Nations, a few years afterwards the UN came into existence.

DO YOU REALLY NEED ANYMORE PROOF BESIDES THESE TWO DATES THAT INDICATE WITHOUT DOUBT THAT YOU ARE WITH JEHOVAH’S ONLY ORGANIZATION ON EARTH? SHOULDN’T WE ALL BE CERTAIN THAT WE ARE THE ONLY TRUE RELIGION!!!!!!!!!? (this is not paraphrased)

*claps*

T hat was disgusting. I wanted to be like, “Umm…of course we do. Two dates that were semi-accurate mean you must be guided by God?” This man was on crack.

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Updated Governing Body Member Points at IC

by nbernat in

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*sorry for the near triple post.

i figured i'm going to have to break it down so everyone can see.*.

point #1. we are like children playing outside innocently whose mother freaks out once she sees that the ignorant child finds a snake and starts playing with it.

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Point #4

Opposers (read: apostates) accuse Witnesses of judging but Jesus himself taught us to be “inspector of fruits or of people”.

Point #5

Apparently there are new words for the anointed; perhaps I hadn’t heard them before but they are “watchmen” and “watchtower class”. I found them to be new to me at least.

Point #6

Only Jehovah’s Witnesses declare God’s word in “all of the world” (China? The Middle East?).

Point #7

Jehovah’s name has been “restored” in the NWT because the Society felt God’s name not being in the NT was inconsistent with the OT, which is why it was added. Acts 15:14 indicates that it’s logical that 1 st century Christians knew God’s name and that it was taken out of the Greek Scriptures afterwards.

Point #8

Proof that God’s organization is the WTBTS: in the November 1 st 1939 Watchtower Jehovah indicated to His people that He did not want them involved in politics and the articles arrived RIGHT ON TIME (he sounds so awkward when he speaks! I’m sure he’s a nice man but that’s the truth!).

Umm no Brother Morris. Nice try though. WWII started on September 1st 1939, one month prior, and there were signs for months that Nazi Germany and the Axis powers were being aggressive with the Allied powers' allies.