I have a simple question. If there is no God who then wrote the bible? Man who does not know how to adhere to the teachings perfectly? Did a man (or women) write the words in the bible from experience to pass on to their offspring? Who would have imagined that everything man did on the earth would cause such havock as predicted in the bible? Who would have thought that many floods, food shortages, earthquakes, pestilence just to name a few would have taken place like it said it would in a book? The bible is a book of prophecy and a mere mortal man could not have written it. Does this not hold true?
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Without God - Questions?
by Blueblades inwithout god, what is left of morality?.
without god, what purpose is there in man's life?.
if we do not believe in god, how can we be certain of anything?
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They found me
by Stefanie inafter six years of hiding from them.. the same elder and wife have found me.
they have taken to writing to me, sending me stuff in the mail.
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"I have very many that I truly love"----- you forgot to add, 'who only love me as long as I believe exactly as they do, otherwise I am expendable and disposable like a used keenex'.
You know this is a very valid point. They do have to uphold to the shunning of disbelievers. I could say perhaps a few would still love me however I have never had the chance to put it to the test. Thank you.
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They found me
by Stefanie inafter six years of hiding from them.. the same elder and wife have found me.
they have taken to writing to me, sending me stuff in the mail.
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I dont have family in anymore, I am just sick of hiding when the damn door rings. I have alot of other issues to deal with and have even broken down and went to therapy even though I am strongly opposed. Alot of issues with jws have come up with the sessions. My elder ex molested our daughter! I hate these people and dont want to even speak with them in fear that I will get very angry and will not control myself.
Hi there, if you choose not to follow the beliefs of the W.T.S. simply tell them you are no longer interested. I understand how you can hate a person that has wronged your family. However an entire group of people cannot be held responsible for the acts of one. There are many very loving brothers and sisters within the faith. I know this because I have very many that I truly love. A brother or sister in faith is one that adheres to the teachings of Christ therefore christian. Do not associate with those that cause you or your family harm. Again, simply tell them you a not interested, ask them not to return and leave it at that. Do not allow anothers acts bring you down. Have a great evening.......
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A STUNNINGLY simple question about JOHN 3:16 "For God so Loved the world."
by Terry inon what basis did god so love the world?.
the world of mankind had been condemned to death by god's curse in eden!.
god viewed mankind as "dust on the scales".
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The sun rises in the morning for the good and for the wicked. The rain falls upon the earth for the good and for the wicked. Good and bad have been allowed to walk side by side for a period of time until The Almighty takes control and the son reigns as king.
Jesus was born with out sin because he had the laws of his Father with him. Adam had God with him in the beginning, chose to break the law therefore became a sinner. It must mean sin is without law. That would explain how an innocent child is born a sinner, becuase he is born without the laws of the Father.
The spirit creation in the heavens chose to rebel, men upon the earth chose wickedness. Without law there exists disorder. If disorder prevails the Almighty God has to uphold the law through discipline. We as human have lost loved one in death. It was loving of the Almighty to offer his son up as a ransom and also loving of Christ to accept his path. The greatest of love is when one is willing to offer their life up on behalf of another.
GOD gave us life and the opportunity for everlasting life, is this not love?
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Why do they call it "The Truth" ?
by jwblog inif the "truth" keeps changing shouldn't they call it "in search of the truth"?
an orange is always an orange, and apple always an apple they do not change.
so how is it "truth" can change?
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If the "truth" keeps changing shouldn't they call it "In search of the Truth"? An orange is always an orange, and apple always an apple they do not change. So how is it "Truth" can change? Not possible in my way of thinking.
How is it the faithful and discreet slave do not "all" take part in providing food at the proper time? How can only a portion of them provide food yet all be labled as the "faithful and discreet slave"?
Where does it even say that the faithful and discreet slave dies after Jesus Christ arrives?
Just a few questions about the so called "truth".
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What do we have to do to get Gods' Attention
by LouBelle inthis is *if* you believe in god / a god / gods.
there are moments when i sit down and have a conversation, almost with myself, because even though i am looking up at the heavens/searching my soul, there is no answer, no supernatural feeling, it is quiet and still, but i speak the words just in case there is something listening.. if there is a god and he is all that he claims to be through all the religions on this earth, why doesn't he rule us as a god should?
why doesn't he come on down and sort out this world?
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Going back to the original topic. He already has our attention. What loving God would create living beings only to watch them suffer hence; Jesus Christ the savior. He was raised to save us all from our own destructive ways. God did not tell His creation to disobey laws that have proven to create problems for everyone.
Say all creation obeyed the law. There would never be a need for discipline from the One that created us. We were allowed a chance to choose Gods way or the wicked way, which is lawlessness. This is also loving if you think in a grand way. It is true that all life has had to suffer. No one wants to live under a ruler that commands people to listen by force and vilolence. This is what humans do and God will once again allow all living things to choose right or wrong after learning what lawlessness causes. This time around all living things will know their Creator in His True Person, a Loving GOD.
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What do we have to do to get Gods' Attention
by LouBelle inthis is *if* you believe in god / a god / gods.
there are moments when i sit down and have a conversation, almost with myself, because even though i am looking up at the heavens/searching my soul, there is no answer, no supernatural feeling, it is quiet and still, but i speak the words just in case there is something listening.. if there is a god and he is all that he claims to be through all the religions on this earth, why doesn't he rule us as a god should?
why doesn't he come on down and sort out this world?
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Ok, just briefly. We are talking about the one who created all things, GOD. He has the power to control the rain, wind, fire etc. etc. He made sure those that were worthy of salvation survived. Where does it say that there was salt water anywhere upon the earth in the beginning? When it rains water drifts downward from the high areas to the lower until the bottoms fill like a bath tub of course. It is possible that some chemicals mixed together to form salt water from the water pouring down from the highest regions downward. It does say that GOD destroyed the earth as well. As for the Ark it says that it begin to float as the waters raised so there is no written evidence that suggests it driftes aimlessly. Remember we should not go beyond what is written. It is obvious that living things to adapt and in example, your skin becomes darker when exposed to the sun as a protection from the rays. Evolution as I know it is where one species forms into another such as a dog turning into a cat. Which monkey species did you evolve from? I will make it a point to go visit your grandfather......jk of course :) There is no evidence whatsoever that one species can evolve into another. What makes me wonder is how all life have the same similarities such as eyes to see, a brain to think, and reproductive organs. Where did a sloth evolve from if man evolved from ape? Makes no sense does it. By the way I work in the area of civil, environmental design engineering etc etc. Everything requires a designer in order to have order and perfect design. Things do not create themselves.......I have no wish to hijack this thread or be argumentative. You seem to be sincere, however, so I will address the issues you raised. I sincerely suggest that you also do your own independent (read: scientific, not creationist propaganda) research. If you wish further discussion about Noah's flood, a new thread would probably be in order.
Fish swim so no need to rescue fish and all those that swim. Birds fly, others can find refuge correct?
No. No part of this statement is correct. Sea life have evolved to require very specific environments. Drastic changes in temperature, water pessure, even PH levels would result in the extinction of many, if not all, species. Salt water species cannot live in fresh water and vice versa. The combining of all the worlds bodies of water into one would cause the salt water and fresh water to combine, with obviously toxic results.
But there is an even worse problem: The sheer volume of water. In order to cover the tops of all the Earth's mountains, it has been estimated that an estimated 4.55 Bilion cubic kilometers of water would need to fall in the 40 days the bible claims for the flood. Water condensing from vapor releases heat. The amount of heat generated by that volume of water would have raised the surface temperature of the earth to around 1600 degrees Celsius, hot enough to evaporate all the water in the oceans, let alone kill whatever miraculous fish had survived the massive destruction of their living environment.
As for the birds, what refuge could they find? The entire Earth was an ocean. Some could possibly have stayed aloft for a short time in this torrential downpour the likes of which the world had never seen, but surely even the most stout could not have survived more than a few days in such conditions, and that's being generous. It's also clear that Noah is depicted as having birds on the Ark, as indicated that he released some at the end of the flood. This brings up another interesting point: A flood of that magnitude, with the Earth totally submerged in water for over a month, would have killed all the trees. Where was that magic fig tree that the dove found?
God can guide His creation by Holy Spirit evident by the swines being led over the cliff and many more wonders. So He can easily guide the animals to the Ark. I have a question for you. Did the Ark drift aimlessly through the waters?
Actually your original point was about the geological evidence for the flood, which is why I directed you to the point on that site where they talk about the geology of an Earth-wide flood event. I will grant you that if the flood story is true God could have miraculously led the animals to the Ark. I will not, however, stand by while you accuse the Hoy Spirit of porkicide! It was the legion of demons that Jesus exorcised from the possessed man that caused the pigs to run over the cliff. The holy spirit mearly directed them to the pigs.
As to the point about the Ark drifting aimlessly, if the story were true, then I suppose not.
Did the cities mentioned in the bible exist? What about Solomons temple and Zerubabel (sp) temple? Did they exist and who built them? And what exactly is your theory about the origin of man? And what truth are you talking about? The teachings that JW's give.
The city of Tokyo exists, that doesn't mean I think Godzilla is a documentary. My theory of the origin of man is irrelevant, as the issue here is whether the flood story is accurate. However, I believe there is massive, overwhelming evidence that man evolved from lower species. That took me a while to come around to, however. I stopped believing the bible was inspired long before I came to accept evolution. In fact I was a atheist before I accepted evolution.
When I mentioned the truth it was somewhat tongue in cheek, since the JW's call their entire religion "The Truth", yet they are far from it.
What is it you have to teach me that might better my life? I am reading intently :)
I don't consider myself a teacher or a leader of a movement. I may indeed be able to teach you things that will better your life, but bettering your life is your responsibility, not mine. But I don't think that's the point you were trying to make. So is your point that you would follow the JW's or some other attractive teaching, regardless of whether it's true, in order to better your life? How sad. The issue for me is the truth. The truth may be that I have cancer. Is that going to make me happy? No. But if it's the truth, I want to know. If we know what the truth is, then we can adjust our lives accordingly. -
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What do we have to do to get Gods' Attention
by LouBelle inthis is *if* you believe in god / a god / gods.
there are moments when i sit down and have a conversation, almost with myself, because even though i am looking up at the heavens/searching my soul, there is no answer, no supernatural feeling, it is quiet and still, but i speak the words just in case there is something listening.. if there is a god and he is all that he claims to be through all the religions on this earth, why doesn't he rule us as a god should?
why doesn't he come on down and sort out this world?
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JWblog - do you honestly believe that adam & eve started the whole population myth?? That account is just simply so flawed one cannot take it as history fact at all.
How is it flawed?
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Why did Death not stop as soon as the RANSOM was paid?
by jwfacts interry's recent thread about god's love made me start wondering the above question.
normally a ransom is done as a swap, the payment is made on exchange.
2000 years ago jesus made payment by dieing.
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Terry's recent thread about God's love made me start wondering the above question. Normally a Ransom is done as a swap, the payment is made on exchange.
2000 years ago Jesus made payment by dieing. God's apparent sense of justice was fulfilled by this act. So why did Jehovah not apply that payment 2000 years ago and end human misery and suffering?
A JW answer is that we still needed time to prove that we can not rule ourselves. I find that pretty shallow, but regardless, why not send Jesus after he was satisfied that all other criteria had be met?
God gave up His only begotten son in order that all can be saved.As humans many have lost their loved ones through death. The greatest love of all is to offer your life on the behalf of another. Many sacrifice themselves to the hands of those that choose to kill. A willing sacrifice is the greatest death a person can endure. We lose our loved ones in death so in justice God lost His loved one also. And he also raised him in order to be the savior of all humans when he returns in all of his glory, and the angels with him. In order to be worthy of the savior of humans he had to learn and understand the suffering humans have had to endure.
Jesus Christ has also been raised to the level of a god as the son of God The Almighty. An angel is not more powerful than a god is he? In formation Jesus is raised as a god as well. And in order to be a faithful and true witness of The Almighty, Jesus had to observe and come to a complete understanding of everything His Father has endured also. This is why Christ is raised in war against the wicked in the heavens so that he can underestand war in battle also. It is written, Jesus knows our trials and tribulations. In order to know and understand he has to endure in like manner as those upon the earth. How can a person counsel if they have not gone through the same turmoil as those they intend to help?
Christ had to be raised in strength in order to battle with the wicked ones in the heavenly realm. This is why he is hidden from the face of the serpent until a period of time is fulfilled. It takes time for this all to take place, and a set period of time is allowed for all to attain to perfection as well. The time of the end is the end of it all with a new beginning thereafter. The thousand year reign of Jesus Christ will bring many blessing to all that dwell upon the earth.
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What do we have to do to get Gods' Attention
by LouBelle inthis is *if* you believe in god / a god / gods.
there are moments when i sit down and have a conversation, almost with myself, because even though i am looking up at the heavens/searching my soul, there is no answer, no supernatural feeling, it is quiet and still, but i speak the words just in case there is something listening.. if there is a god and he is all that he claims to be through all the religions on this earth, why doesn't he rule us as a god should?
why doesn't he come on down and sort out this world?
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Stop stroking my ego LOL.
I agree with what you say but all things had their origin whether written or not.
If I understand you correctly, I agree.
Good night,
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What I wrote was not intended to raise your ego but only to praise your intent to follow the Laws of The Almighty. All things had their origin by way of the Creator. He gave us a mouth to speak from the mind that forms our thoughts. Even the paper that capture the words of expression was created by God.So we are nothing on our own, not even a single cell.