Posts by Finkelstein

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As Biden Struggles, Hillary Waits For The call

by Bangalore in

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/495371-as-biden-struggles-hillary-waits-for-the-call.

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any thoughts about this?.

Finkelstein

Can you say .... " fake news sensationalism "

It's funny how so many web sites create sensationalize garbage just to incite and attract viewers.

Thats the world we live in where 50% of what gets put into news web sites is unsubstantiated garbage and the other 50% has some relevant truth to the articles.

Hillary's political career is done, does anyone really think that she would be backed by the Democrat party after her last fail ?

One can expect that she will poke her head up and support Biden and his choice for VP but thats it for this gal.

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A question about the contemporary generation teaching following a conversation with a JW apologist

by Giles Gray in

i would like to ask the ex-jws on this site to put their ‘apologists hat’ back on for a moment, so that i can go through the overlapping generation teaching in an attempt to make sense of it.

i apologise if these points have already been addressed on this site.a quick background for the reason for my request… having never confronted a jw apologist on the topic, i recently engaged with a jw regarding the official understanding of a ‘generation’ and unfortunately he didn’t have an answer to the points i was making.

i was left a little confused as to what the official jw response would/should be.so i was hoping that my thoughts below might be considered from an apologist’s perspective.the point in question relates to this section of the watchtower article below from 2008, as well as the jw.org video explanation of the overlapping generation:---:w08 2/15[box on page 25] can we calculate the length of “this generation”?the word “generation” usually refers to people of various ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period or event.

Finkelstein

The overlapping generation doctrine is an attempt by the WTS heads to make ancient mythology expressed in the bible real and valid, how to lure people and put them in a state belief ?

You bullshit and lie until it works.

You also have to exploit their ignorance and vulnerabilities.

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I’m Seeing Some Trump Fatigue Out There

by minimus in

jw
friends

i’ve heard from a few trump voters that they are getting tired of the whole trump thing.

one person yesterday said he lies.

another person said she hears from her clients in her business that the constant drama and push back from all sides against trump is fatiguing.. i remind people that before this worldwide pandemic, we had the best numbers in jobs.

Finkelstein

A unscrupulous businessman got into office who doesn't have a proven track record of even being a good businessman. Add in the fact he had no experience in politics, let a lone the highest level of politics in the nation, could these pertaining elements effect his performance as the president ?

I think it did.

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I’m Seeing Some Trump Fatigue Out There

by minimus in

jw
friends

i’ve heard from a few trump voters that they are getting tired of the whole trump thing.

one person yesterday said he lies.

another person said she hears from her clients in her business that the constant drama and push back from all sides against trump is fatiguing.. i remind people that before this worldwide pandemic, we had the best numbers in jobs.

Finkelstein

Trump has taken a lot of negative hits since his term in office, although he did accomplish something, I think the negatives will overpower the postives and the voters will change over to the other party for the next election.

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Rolf Furuli New Book

by dozy in

jw
friends

for those who haven't come across furuli before , he is a 77 year old norwegian professor and is ( or was ) one of the few "scholarly" jws used by the society and used as a source on various matters ( especially 607 bce ).. however recently he has fallen out with the gb and has published an interesting book - like many recent scholarly apologists , he seems to be going down the road of disagreeing with the authority of the gb but still holding that the jws is the one true religion.

kind of "lions led by donkeys".

whether this view will continue is anyones guess.

Finkelstein

Whatever you want to say about the man he does have a core sense of integrity in his view and evaluation of the GB leaders from a theological perspective.

Maybe it was just a matter of these men realizing what they have and hold unto themselves and what they could possibly lose if they didn't make enforcing regulation about individuals voicing personal opinions towards certain doctrines or the organization ?

This might have come about in reflection of just how much certain people such as COs Branch heads, GB members rely on the organization for their living sustainability in housing and financial support ?

In making a firm foundation of believable acceptance around themselves (FDSL) is also effectively make a supporting stance to sustain themselves.

The equation is such ....... subjective loyal faith = money $$$

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"Million(s) now requesting will never show"

by eyeuse2badub in

j f rutherford in all his wisdom hysterically, stupidly, and boastfully proclaimed the now slogan;.

"millions now living will never die".

donny trump in all his wisdom hysterically, stupidly, and of course boastfully proclaimed that a million supporters requested tickets for his much ballyhooed rally in tulsa!

Finkelstein

Facts to keep in mind , people are still nervous about the Covid virus.

There appears to be some manipulation of the attending tickets.

Who walked across the street just for a photo op holding up a Bible?

Yes that was pretty much a fail on Trump's part, he even got condemned by the clergy for doing that.

Thats politics for you , you win some, you lose some .

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A question about the contemporary generation teaching following a conversation with a JW apologist

by Giles Gray in

i would like to ask the ex-jws on this site to put their ‘apologists hat’ back on for a moment, so that i can go through the overlapping generation teaching in an attempt to make sense of it.

i apologise if these points have already been addressed on this site.a quick background for the reason for my request… having never confronted a jw apologist on the topic, i recently engaged with a jw regarding the official understanding of a ‘generation’ and unfortunately he didn’t have an answer to the points i was making.

i was left a little confused as to what the official jw response would/should be.so i was hoping that my thoughts below might be considered from an apologist’s perspective.the point in question relates to this section of the watchtower article below from 2008, as well as the jw.org video explanation of the overlapping generation:---:w08 2/15[box on page 25] can we calculate the length of “this generation”?the word “generation” usually refers to people of various ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period or event.

Finkelstein

As I stated previously once a age group for set of generations dies then that age group can not be included in the generational set.

So now we are in a proceeding generational set that does not include the people born around 1914.

Of course thats being intellectually honest in the use and acceptance of the word generation(s), something the WTS heads have purposely played and twisted to appeal to their own want and desire.

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Why do Jehovah's Witnesses avoid examining their own religion? An interesting read from Scientific American Magazine.

by Balaamsass2 in

for a long time, i thought pimi (physically in, mentally in) jws were unique in their inability to simply type and read the latest "google" news results about "jehovah's witnesses " or "watchtower".

however, it appears it is not uncommon for a large portion of the population purposefully to avoid facts...on purpose!

"why do people avoid facts that could help them?.

Finkelstein

With the JWS at least its about putting trust and faith in god's chosen ones the anointed GB members for accurate and truthful bible interpretation.

The people who are in this organization like that the world is going to come to an end with themselves most likely surviving, which is their reward for their devotion and actions within the organization.

To not be loyal and obedient to those men is being identifiable unloyal and disobedient to god the organization's established awareness and acceptance.

Plus questioning will get you pointed out as being spiritually weak and flawed and hurtful being among the rest of the congregation.

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A question about the contemporary generation teaching following a conversation with a JW apologist

by Giles Gray in

i would like to ask the ex-jws on this site to put their ‘apologists hat’ back on for a moment, so that i can go through the overlapping generation teaching in an attempt to make sense of it.

i apologise if these points have already been addressed on this site.a quick background for the reason for my request… having never confronted a jw apologist on the topic, i recently engaged with a jw regarding the official understanding of a ‘generation’ and unfortunately he didn’t have an answer to the points i was making.

i was left a little confused as to what the official jw response would/should be.so i was hoping that my thoughts below might be considered from an apologist’s perspective.the point in question relates to this section of the watchtower article below from 2008, as well as the jw.org video explanation of the overlapping generation:---:w08 2/15[box on page 25] can we calculate the length of “this generation”?the word “generation” usually refers to people of various ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period or event.

Finkelstein

Strange is it not that god's select chosen organization, now the anointed GB of the JWS have been preaching and teaching false doctrines for decades but god's holy spirit didn't jump in and correct them with new truthful light ?

Maybe the WTS GB members are not god's chosen ones ?

Maybe they proclaimed that themselves in 1919 to create their subsequent power ?

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A question about the contemporary generation teaching following a conversation with a JW apologist

by Giles Gray in

i would like to ask the ex-jws on this site to put their ‘apologists hat’ back on for a moment, so that i can go through the overlapping generation teaching in an attempt to make sense of it.

i apologise if these points have already been addressed on this site.a quick background for the reason for my request… having never confronted a jw apologist on the topic, i recently engaged with a jw regarding the official understanding of a ‘generation’ and unfortunately he didn’t have an answer to the points i was making.

i was left a little confused as to what the official jw response would/should be.so i was hoping that my thoughts below might be considered from an apologist’s perspective.the point in question relates to this section of the watchtower article below from 2008, as well as the jw.org video explanation of the overlapping generation:---:w08 2/15[box on page 25] can we calculate the length of “this generation”?the word “generation” usually refers to people of various ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period or event.

Finkelstein

As I stated previously once a age group for set of generations dies then that age group can not be included in the generational set.

So now we are in a proceeding generational set that does not include the people born around 1914.

Of course thats being intellectually honest in the use and acceptance of the word generation(s), something the WTS heads have purposely played and twisted to appeal to their own want and desire.