But what about the great persecution to come upon Jehovah's chosen people which the JWS heads say they are that organization ?
You better have your go bags packed and ready brothers and sisters.
Finkelstein
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Trying to get my head around these go bags
by phoenixrising inwhen i was looking at prepping back in the 90s i was told by several elders that we needed to just rely on the org and jehovah and not prep.
i started to put away vacuum sealed bags of rice beans and spices anyway.
now they have this go bag crap.
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Update again
by Akid48 ini don't know if anyone remembers me on here but i'm here to do an update again.. well, i'm 15 going on 16 soon i still remember watching my first video on youtube and learning that all the jw teachings are false and everything that follows.
crazy times, i have chosen to just focus on school and just trying to be a kid well a teen now but you get the point.
i'm not really mad about all the jw stuff i've come to accept that i couldn't have done anything to prevent it i was born into a family that was already into the religion.
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Finkelstein
Truth, knowledge and integrity kills all religoius cults, it takes some responsibility to each of us as individuals and the betterment toward humanity as well.
Be careful to all things presented and sold to you, this includes things not related to religion too.
Keep going Akid48 , your on the right track.
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Jehovah? Oh dear.
by Giordano insome recent new friends on this forum like friend kosonen are fixated with god's name being jehovah...unfortunately they are wrong:.
a quick bit of history:.
"about the 13th century the term “jehovah” appeared when christian scholars took the consonants of “yahweh” and pronounced it with the vowels of “adonai.” this resulted in the sound “yahowah,” which has a latinized spelling of “jehovah.” the first recorded use of this spelling was made by a spanish dominican monk, raymundus martini, in 1270.. interestingly, this fact is admitted in much jehovah’s witness literature, such as their aid to bible understanding (p. 885).
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Finkelstein
Yes it is kind of ironic that the JWS named their organization from a source they describe as false religion ( Catholicism ) .When a certain sect of people separated from the Canaanite civilization and went into a monotheistic style of worship from polytheism, Elyon was used as a formulation name of their god and later associated with Yahweh..
Elyon (Biblical Hebrew עליון; Masoretic ʿElyōn) is an epithet of the God of the Israelites in the Hebrew Bible. ʾĒl ʿElyōn is usually rendered in English as "God Most High", and similarly in the Septuagint as ὁ Θεός ὁ ὕψιστος ("God the highest").
The term also has mundane uses, such as "upper" (where the ending in both roots is a locative, not superlative or comparative), "top", or "uppermost", referring simply to the position of objects (e.g. applied to a basket in Genesis 40.17 or to a chamber in Ezekiel 42.5).
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Hebrew Bible[edit]
The compound ʼĒl ʻElyōn[edit]
The compound name ʼĒl ʻElyōn 'God Most High' occurs in Genesis 14:18–20 as the God whose priest was Melchizedek, king of Salem. The form appears again almost immediately in verse 22, used by Abraham in an oath to the king of Sodom. In this verse the name of God also occurs in apposition to ʼĒl ʻElyōn in the Masoretic Text but is absent in the Samaritan version, in the Septuagint translation, and in Symmachus.[citation needed]
Its occurrence here was one foundation of a theory first espoused by Julius Wellhausen that ʼĒl ʻElyōn was an ancient god of Salem (for other reasons understood here to mean Jerusalem), later equated with God.[citation needed]
The only other occurrence of the compound expression is in Psalms 78:35: "And they remembered that God [ʼĒlōhīm] was their rock, and the high God [ʼĒl ʻElyōn] their redeemer."
The name is repeated later in the chapter, but with a variation: verse fifty-six says ʼElohim ʻElyōn.
It has been suggested that the reference to "ʼĒl ʻElyōn, maker of heaven and earth" in Genesis 14:19 and 22 reflects a Canaanite background. The phrasing in Genesis resembles a retelling of Canaanite religious traditions in Philo of Byblos's account of Phoenician history, in which ʻElyōn was the progenitor of Ouranos ("Sky") and Gaia ("Earth").[1]
ʽElyōn standing alone[edit]
The name ʽElyōn 'Most High' standing alone is found in many poetic passages, especially in the Psalms.
It appears in Balaam's verse oracle in Numbers 24:16 as a separate name parallel to Ēl.
It appears in Moses' final song in Deuteronomy 32:8 (a much discussed verse). A translation of the Masoretic text:
When the Most High (ʽElyōn) divided nations,
he separated the sons of man (Ādām);
he set the bounds of the massesaccording to the number of the sons of Israel
Many Septuagint manuscripts have in place of "sons of Israel", angelōn theou 'angels of God' and a few have huiōn theou 'sons of God'. The Dead Sea Scrolls fragment 4QDeutj reads bny ’lwhm 'sons of God' ('sons of ’Elohim'). The New Revised Standard Version translates this as "he fixed the boundaries … according to the number of the gods".[2]
This passage appears to identify ʽElyōn with ’Elohim, but not necessarily with Yahweh. It can be read to mean that ʽElyōn separated mankind into 70 nations according to his 70 sons (the 70 sons of Ēl being mentioned in the Ugaritic texts), each of these sons to be the tutelary deity over one of the 70 nations, one of them being the god of Israel, Yahweh. Alternatively, it may mean that ʽElyōn, having given the other nations to his sons, now takes Israel for himself under the name of the Tetragrammaton. Both interpretations have supporters.[citation needed]
In Isaiah 14:13–14 ʽElyōn is used in a very mystical context in the passage providing the basis for later speculation on the fall of Satan where the rebellious prince of Babylon is pictured as boasting:
I shall be enthroned in the mount of the council in the farthest north [or farthest Zaphon]
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds;
I will be like the Most High.
But ’Elyōn is in other places firmly identified with Yahweh, as in 2 Samuel 22:14:
The Lord [YHWH] thundered from heaven,
and the Most High [ʽElyōn] uttered his voice.Also Psalm 97:9: "For you, Lord [YHWH], are Most High [ʽelyōn] over all the earth; you are raised high over all the gods."
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Trying to get my head around these go bags
by phoenixrising inwhen i was looking at prepping back in the 90s i was told by several elders that we needed to just rely on the org and jehovah and not prep.
i started to put away vacuum sealed bags of rice beans and spices anyway.
now they have this go bag crap.
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Finkelstein
It helps in making people believe, when that occurs the WTS/JWorg can sustain the membership and cultivate more money and support.
The provocation of fear is pretty much the core catalyst of what frames the JW cult.
For example a recent statement by one the GB members .......
"Brothers and sisters we are now at the end of the end of this system of things"
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Will Governor Cuomo be the Next President?
by RubaDub intrying to put politics aside (even though that won't really work), but ny governor andrew cuomo is blowing the other politicians out out the water (orange man [trump] and the lizard [biden]).. i don't know if cuomo has a usb port in the back of his head plugged into a hard drive but the guy speaks, analyzes and talks coherently.
the orange man always passes difficult questions to someone else.
the lizard can't comprehend what the question is but tries to answer something.. cuomo comes out with facts, analysis and direction on what needs to be done.
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Just off the press ........
Patients in New York hospitals must now test negative for the coronavirus before they can be discharged to nursing homes, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Sunday — partially reversing a policy that forced sickened seniors into facilities housing those most vulnerable.
“We’re just not going to send a person who is positive to a nursing home after a hospital visit,” said Cuomo during an Albany press briefing. “Period.”
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What Did You Choose Jehovah Over?
by minimus insome jws believe they have the truth.
they alone understand god, jehovah.
they are very happy being jehovah’s witnesses.👍👌..... many others realize what they have given up for jehovah, to belong to the jehovah’s witness religion.
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Finkelstein
I left the WTS/JWs because I could see he (Jehovah) wasn't there or his son, just some sinning, lying, apostates running their own publishing house.
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The Motive of the Governing Body
by jwfacts ini have been quiet of late, developing other interests, happy that there are a whole group of people producing great resources.
however, i found some old emails from ray franz that promoted me to write an article that answers a question i regularly receive.
it is in regards to the motive of governing body members.
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Finkelstein
The anointed self identification was a part of the self promotion and marketing scheme by the early executive editorial heads of the WTS. ( Russel, Rutherford ).
These men took whatever scripture they could find in the bible to help proliferate the literature they published, omitting the scriptures that would negate what they were doing, then claimed that they had an accurate and honest interpretation of the bible.
Using the preaching of the New Kingdom order from 1914 forward as means to spur on the circulation of their literature and other peripherals to the public.
They took this scriptural bible based message and turned it into a tainted commercialized vehicle to support whatever they produced.
This is a business profile in operation and all done so without regulation.
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What Did You Choose Jehovah Over?
by minimus insome jws believe they have the truth.
they alone understand god, jehovah.
they are very happy being jehovah’s witnesses.👍👌..... many others realize what they have given up for jehovah, to belong to the jehovah’s witness religion.
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Finkelstein
Most of the people I know that gave up their lives for Jehovah’s Organization are broke and disheartened still.
But not the GB members and their wives, they play with millions that the JWs members contributed, never worry about food, shelter, medical or dental care, why if they want to they go for swim or play a game of tennis at the Warwick HQ.
In between that time they plan out where they would like to travel around the world paid for by the WTS and treated like adorned celebrities when they arrive.
......and people wonder why they are always smiling and lying to support the organization, the reason is not that hard to figure out.
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Jehovah provided zoom?!
by Tim207 inseems like every zoom meeting someone comments how happy they are that jehovah has provided us with this wonderful app called zoom.
does that mean jehovah knew about covid back in 2011 when zoom was founded?
why do people thank god for things people create?
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Your lack of faith Tim is depressing .
Yes Jah created the covid virus and yes he created Zoom so his loyal earthly subjects can communicate and spread spiritual food.
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Michael Palin: North Korea - Similarities In N.Korean and JW Mentality
by pale.emperor indid anyone catch michael palin's travel documentary in north korea?
it was a fascinating insight into such a secretive and controlled country.
totalitarian, suppressed and yet i found a few similarities to jw mentality.. particularly, this segment, where michael asks his handler about the limitations on freedom she has.
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Finkelstein
In high controlling cults /dictatorships, its vitally important to suppress and control information that could weaken the authoritative position of the top leaders who have control over the subjective controlled subjects.
The leaders do this by selective propaganda to make an awareness of how good the controlled group are in comparison to people who are not of the identified group.
Religious cults like the JWS do the same thing.
ie ..... " We are the happiest people on earth "
" Salvation can only be obtained within are organization and the guidance and direction are leaders provide"
" We are in Jehovah god's chosen organization here on earth "
