i am back from underground ... i have more to tell you than you can imagine ...
i cannot use my old screen handle for now, but we are working on that, and it will be restored as soon as simon and i can get it done.
so, simon has allowed me to create a new screen name for the time being.
Welcome to the wonderful world of expert witness testimony.
Well done Jim and I am glad that their "techniques" did not get to you and make you lose it. They want to show you in as bad a possible light. Don't ever lose it. Always remember they have a job to do - which is to discredit you to the Court and you have a job to do which is not falling for it.
Never take it personal and you will be fine.
hawk
please feel free to scroll down to scully's post to see a copy of the letter for you to copy and paste and use click here or please re-look at the first post of this thread for those interested:.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/17/68071/1.ashx.
please note this above noted link will be up and running shortly by at least 9:15 est march 12, 2004. there was a problem with the msword file last night and to protect people, things had to be adjust and of course i was not around.
Please feel free to scroll down to Scully's post to see a copy of the letter for you to copy and paste and use click here or please re-look at the first post of this thread for those interested:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/17/68071/1.ashx
Please note this above noted link will be up and running shortly by at least 9:15 EST March 12, 2004. There was a problem with the MSWORD file last night and to protect people, things had to be adjust and of course I was not around.
Thus, a "text" copy of the letter can be found below and posted by Scully.
I am so sorry for the delay. I hope I haven't upset to many over the mishap.
For those who want a MSWORD copy please feel free to Email me or just copy and paste from the board here.
Good luck everyone.
hawk
the pertinent information dealt with confirmation that a ngo by the name of the watchtower bible and tract society of new york , inc. (watchtower) held an ?associated ngo?
this may not seem as an important issue to the united nations.
1) a photocopy of the original 1991 letter from the watchtower to the dpi requesting an application form for ?associate ngo?
I also urge those who wish to attach stuff or to write their own letters to feel free.
Keeping the theme of course is to "appeal" the decision of Hoeffel to his main boss.
hawk
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the following article comes out of minnesota and is entitled "annandale church isn't liable in abuse suit.".
i'm off to work now, so don't have time to comment, but would like to post it before i leave.. http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/4655055.html
Point of Clarification:
Even though the law requires them to report child molestation... they really don't have to.
The Statutory law created by the government requires the clergy to report in this particular State. If he (or they) fail to report then he (or they) can be charged and end up in front of the "criminal courts" and may face a fine if convicted. The fine would be paid to the courts.
This appeal deals with Civil and NOT criminal law. What this appeal court is saying is that elders and the WTS corporation will NOT be liable in a civil court of law since there is no "tort" in the paper work filed by the plaintiff's lawyer that is recognized in the laws of Minnestota at this time. This is similar to the Bryan R. v. Watchtower case in Maine where the lawyers failed to bring a proper "tort" and failed to bring proof in the claim that the "tort" exists.
I hope you see the difference.
hawk
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the following article comes out of minnesota and is entitled "annandale church isn't liable in abuse suit.".
i'm off to work now, so don't have time to comment, but would like to post it before i leave.. http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/4655055.html
This is a disappointing loss but it is also an opportunity to let the public know that their children are at risk.
The courts are telling the public that they are responsible for their own children,. Therefore this would be a good time for a public education campaign (especially in the Twin Cities) that JW's hide pedophiles and send them to your door. The courts won't hold the Watchtower responsible for their pedophiles, therefore parents should refuse access to JW's when they are in the community.
It should also be told to active JW's that the Watchtower simply doesn't care. Their children can be abused and elders can tell them to shut up about it. So they are better off not letting their children be alone with any witness because if something happens they are on their own.
I pity the children of Jehovah's Witnesses.
Uzzah
I am going to quote your comments but not your name etc. to someone later today or tomorrow in an Email. You will be blind copied. hawk
the pertinent information dealt with confirmation that a ngo by the name of the watchtower bible and tract society of new york , inc. (watchtower) held an ?associated ngo?
this may not seem as an important issue to the united nations.
1) a photocopy of the original 1991 letter from the watchtower to the dpi requesting an application form for ?associate ngo?
Are organizations not yet affiliated with the UN still considered NGO's by simply being organizations not related to governments?
Yes and generally they are not for profit.
or does the term "NGO" mean an organization that has applied to the UN specifically to be one?
No. An NGO applies to receive an accrediation from a UN committee and then becomes either a "associated NGO" with DPI or a NGO with "Consultative status" with ECOSOC.
Hope that helps hoob.
hawk
the pertinent information dealt with confirmation that a ngo by the name of the watchtower bible and tract society of new york , inc. (watchtower) held an ?associated ngo?
this may not seem as an important issue to the united nations.
1) a photocopy of the original 1991 letter from the watchtower to the dpi requesting an application form for ?associate ngo?
Okay. I have recieved a few more comments and await a couple more. So I will post the final letter tomorrow.
hawk
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the following article comes out of minnesota and is entitled "annandale church isn't liable in abuse suit.".
i'm off to work now, so don't have time to comment, but would like to post it before i leave.. http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/4655055.html
This is not just the Court, this is the Court of Appeal with all three (3) learned Judges agreeing.
Damn. This is not good at all.
hawk
the pertinent information dealt with confirmation that a ngo by the name of the watchtower bible and tract society of new york , inc. (watchtower) held an ?associated ngo?
this may not seem as an important issue to the united nations.
1) a photocopy of the original 1991 letter from the watchtower to the dpi requesting an application form for ?associate ngo?
Why would they pull the letter when the letter was put on the Internet in an attempt to stem the flow of calls, Emails, facsimiles and letters?
If anything they will refuse or they, as governments usually do will partially release more stuff. That's how it works.
hawk
the pertinent information dealt with confirmation that a ngo by the name of the watchtower bible and tract society of new york , inc. (watchtower) held an ?associated ngo?
this may not seem as an important issue to the united nations.
1) a photocopy of the original 1991 letter from the watchtower to the dpi requesting an application form for ?associate ngo?
They can sue UN if UN expose the secrecy files. This is the law. Whenever an organization register with UN, the private file can not be exposed.
Not quite. There is NO policy or resolution at the UN that covers this. And that's the problem - there is no real written regulaated policy. As I have told you, the UN will release the files in certain circumstances that do end up in public in the Court system. They can also release the files after they have been "redacted" to protects ones rights and freedoms - and don't think they don't know that. Finally the magazines contained in the WTS files were already released to the public for crying out loud.
I agree this is a long shot but pressure is what made Hoeffel snap back in October, 2001 to send me the first letter. It was more pressure that caused the second letter in 2002 by the Acting Head of DPI. Finally more pressure late last year and early this year brought out the Internet posting. So hey if Hoeffel put that letter on the UN's web site we may get another letter, a UN press release and/or the actual list of magainze articles the WTS disemminated for the UN.
hawk
