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  My mother finally got her liver transplant...........

  by WingCommander in

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  yes, it has finally happened!

  after years of being on recipient lists, she finally got the call on saturday evening that a liver was waiting for her.

  of course we packed and drove the 5 hours to the medical center that would perform the operation.

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  hawkaw

  FWIW, WTS does allow banned donor red blood cells with donor transplants.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/16/129840/1.ashx
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  Watchtower allows Banned Red Blood Cell Transfers in Liver Transplants?

  by hawkaw in

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  i urge you to read and research this further.. http://dissertations.ub.rug.nl/files/faculties/medicine/2005/a.van.der.plaats/c1.pdf.

  http://dissertations.ub.rug.nl/files/faculties/medicine/2005/a.van.der.plaats/c2.pdf.

  http://dissertations.ub.rug.nl/files/faculties/medicine/2005/a.van.der.plaats/c3.pdf.

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  BTTT
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  MCLEANS SEXTUPLETS AND BLOOD ARTICLE - SCANNED COPY FOR YOU

  by hawkaw in

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  please just add an http:// at the beginning of all of these urls, then copy to your browser address area and click away.. i really didn't like to read about how the jws won all these court decisions on freedom when they don't even let their members be free but still the article is balanced enough to leave a serious indent on the side of shane's head.. hawkawl.freeservers.com/mclean's%20cover.jpg.

  hawkawl.freeservers.com/mcleans%20page%2034.jpg.

  hawkawl.freeservers.com/mcleans%20page%2035.jpg.

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  Because the "circuit" is broken momentarily, the procedure is not considered to be in harmony with the WTS's decrees on appropriate blood use.

  Page 6 of the November 2006 Our Kingdom Ministry states "Some blood is withdrawn, mixed with medicine, and returned to the patient. The length of time one's blood is outside the body may vary."

  Most JWs have not thought about the implications of allowing this as it contradicts earlier views that blood leaving the body had to remain connected somehow.
  
  The Our Kingdom Ministry indicates autologous platelet gel is also permitted. As stated by another poster this is where one's own blood is "withdrawn and concentrated into a solution rich in platelets and white cells. This solution is applied on surgical sites or wounds" to seal wounds or reduce bleeding. Also hemodilution is also being allowed where bags of one's own stored blood is broken from the circuit but kept nearby during the procedure.
  
  Scan available at: http://www.aggelia.be/km_nov2006.pdf Based on the OKM, my thoughts are the circuit can be broken as long as a procedure is ongoing and thus allowed. So the kids can have transfusions but not have transfusions ...
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  Watchtower allows Banned Red Blood Cell Transfers in Liver Transplants?

  by hawkaw in

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  i urge you to read and research this further.. http://dissertations.ub.rug.nl/files/faculties/medicine/2005/a.van.der.plaats/c1.pdf.

  http://dissertations.ub.rug.nl/files/faculties/medicine/2005/a.van.der.plaats/c2.pdf.

  http://dissertations.ub.rug.nl/files/faculties/medicine/2005/a.van.der.plaats/c3.pdf.

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  hawkaw

  In reality, this science using hemodilution is not bloodless surgery but "extra-corporeal circulation (ECC)" - outside the body blood circulation.
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  Watchtower allows Banned Red Blood Cell Transfers in Liver Transplants?

  by hawkaw in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i urge you to read and research this further.. http://dissertations.ub.rug.nl/files/faculties/medicine/2005/a.van.der.plaats/c1.pdf.

  http://dissertations.ub.rug.nl/files/faculties/medicine/2005/a.van.der.plaats/c2.pdf.

  http://dissertations.ub.rug.nl/files/faculties/medicine/2005/a.van.der.plaats/c3.pdf.

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  But after the explaination of the concept of 1989, it is added the new concept:

  "It should also be noted that a closed circuit system may not be absolutely required in all situations. During ANH some Jehovah's Witnesses might allow the blood to be withdrawn and held close by for reinfusion toward the end of the procedure. This is considered a matter of personal choice or conscience."

  So just what does abstain from blood mean? Where in the Bible does it say you can have a transfusion as long as it is part of the procedure even if the blood is stored nearby? Where in the Bible does it say when the procedure starts and when it ends?

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  Watchtower allows Banned Red Blood Cell Transfers in Liver Transplants?

  by hawkaw in

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  2. medical

  i urge you to read and research this further.. http://dissertations.ub.rug.nl/files/faculties/medicine/2005/a.van.der.plaats/c1.pdf.

  http://dissertations.ub.rug.nl/files/faculties/medicine/2005/a.van.der.plaats/c2.pdf.

  http://dissertations.ub.rug.nl/files/faculties/medicine/2005/a.van.der.plaats/c3.pdf.

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  Okay I am going to cross-link the OKM November 2006 publication with this thread too as both are important.

  Page 6 of the November 2006 Our Kingdom Ministry stated "Some blood is withdrawn, mixed with medicine, and returned to the patient. The length of time one's blood is outside the body may vary."

  As stated by Charles, I don't think most JWs have thought about the implications of allowing this as it contradicts earlier views that blood leaving the body had to remain connected somehow.
  
  The Our Kingdom Ministry indicates autologous platelet gel is also permitted. As stated by another poster this is where one's own blood is "withdrawn and concentrated into a solution rich in platelets and white cells. This solution is applied on surgical sites or wounds" to seal wounds or reduce bleeding.
  
  Scan available at: http://www.aggelia.be/km_nov2006.pdf Over the past years there is a changed perception of what it means to "store blood". In the 1960s and 1970s no blood was allowed to be out of the body. In late 1980s, the leadership said that anything other than a closed circuit is the same as to store blood. Then by 2000 and now today the leadership has changed perception. When own's own blood is stored and/or separated from the body in an ongoing procedure it is now approved by the leadership and a matter of conscience. Only if blood is stored awaiting the procedure is it not approved. I double dare you to find that logic in the Bible and who is defining the word "stored" out of the body?
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  Watchtower allows Banned Red Blood Cell Transfers in Liver Transplants?

  by hawkaw in

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  i urge you to read and research this further.. http://dissertations.ub.rug.nl/files/faculties/medicine/2005/a.van.der.plaats/c1.pdf.

  http://dissertations.ub.rug.nl/files/faculties/medicine/2005/a.van.der.plaats/c2.pdf.

  http://dissertations.ub.rug.nl/files/faculties/medicine/2005/a.van.der.plaats/c3.pdf.

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  BTTT.

  We should post that November 2006 Kingdom Ministry.
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  Watchtower allows Banned Red Blood Cell Transfers in Liver Transplants?

  by hawkaw in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i urge you to read and research this further.. http://dissertations.ub.rug.nl/files/faculties/medicine/2005/a.van.der.plaats/c1.pdf.

  http://dissertations.ub.rug.nl/files/faculties/medicine/2005/a.van.der.plaats/c2.pdf.

  http://dissertations.ub.rug.nl/files/faculties/medicine/2005/a.van.der.plaats/c3.pdf.

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  Thanks for the info, Gary.

  BTTT
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  Watchtower allows Banned Red Blood Cell Transfers in Liver Transplants?

  by hawkaw in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i urge you to read and research this further.. http://dissertations.ub.rug.nl/files/faculties/medicine/2005/a.van.der.plaats/c1.pdf.

  http://dissertations.ub.rug.nl/files/faculties/medicine/2005/a.van.der.plaats/c2.pdf.

  http://dissertations.ub.rug.nl/files/faculties/medicine/2005/a.van.der.plaats/c3.pdf.

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  hawkaw

  BTTT for the lurkers
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  Watchtower allows Banned Red Blood Cell Transfers in Liver Transplants?

  by hawkaw in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i urge you to read and research this further.. http://dissertations.ub.rug.nl/files/faculties/medicine/2005/a.van.der.plaats/c1.pdf.

  http://dissertations.ub.rug.nl/files/faculties/medicine/2005/a.van.der.plaats/c2.pdf.

  http://dissertations.ub.rug.nl/files/faculties/medicine/2005/a.van.der.plaats/c3.pdf.

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  hawkaw

  http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:Evs68Ub9q2cJ:journals.tubitak.gov.tr/medical/issues/sag-99-29-6/sag-29-6-3-96269.pdf+%22solid+organ+preservation%22+AND+blood&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=ca