Posts by hector3000

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Typical JW Apologist

by TheStar in

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this jw (like so many do) avoids discussing the real issues at hand and instead opts for: .

do jehovah's witnesses have pedophiles in their mists?.

yes but look at everyone else that does too and they're much worse.. i'm not even going to mention how badly he defends the un scandal, i'll let you read it yourself.. this guy has your typical "holier-than-thou" attitude.

hector3000

hect
were you planning on responding to my post? The misinformation you reported on the dpi thing above is like an overblown fairy-tale.

Reply: Willp
I did not respond because your comments were in error. The URL has not changed for one, it is still at http://www.un.org/MoreInfo/ngolink/brochure.htm
You also said:
"This area of the UN has nothing to do with the Watchtower's involvment with the DPI. any changes to this arrangement are irrelevant."

Reply: This is also incorrect, as at the top of the page it clarifies things the NGO/DPI involvement when it says,
"Over 1,500 NGOs with strong information programmes on issues of concern to the United Nations are associated with the Department of Public Information (DPI), giving the United Nations valuable links to people around the world. DPI helps those NGOs gain access to and disseminate information about the range of issues in which the United Nations is involved, to enable the public to understand better the aims and objectives of the world Organization."
And why not, as we are often the brunt of the UN Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
"the "authority" can serve for good, as it was intended; and we have a right to take advantage of it for good if we remain law-abiding persons. Do we not appeal to the authorities of the land for them to render us some good in cases where our rights are being violated by enemies? In many such cases they have been ministers for our good, have they not? Why should we appeal to them at all if they were not appointed to minister good to us or if no good was possible to issue from them? Even in behalf of the preaching of God's kingdom, which in many cases some officials have persecuted, Jehovah's witnesses have appealed to the "authority" for the right handling of the situation adversely affecting us. Why should we do this if the "authority" was not really and essentially appointed to minister good things and benefits to all the people, to all who are lower than the "superior authorities" or "higher powers"?" W62, 711

"It is altogether right for me to think this regarding all of YOU, on account of my having YOU in my heart, all of YOU being sharers with me in the undeserved kindness, both in my [prison] bonds and in the defending and legally establishing of the good news." Php 1:7 NWT
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Typical JW Apologist

by TheStar in

jw
friends

this jw (like so many do) avoids discussing the real issues at hand and instead opts for: .

do jehovah's witnesses have pedophiles in their mists?.

yes but look at everyone else that does too and they're much worse.. i'm not even going to mention how badly he defends the un scandal, i'll let you read it yourself.. this guy has your typical "holier-than-thou" attitude.

hector3000

Jerome: A word of warning.
Your website contains information that is DEFINETILY NOT approved by the GB of Jehovah's Witneses.
You are breaking down the barrier of information controll that the JW leaders use to maintain their authority. Your sight contains information pertaining to prophecy, child abuse etc...
Unfortunately unbeknown to you the watchtower dosent handle matters shuch as the above by discussing them but by sweeping them under the carpet.
Your site puts them into the spot light which may not be too good for your reputation as a witness.
There has been a recent trend where pro Witness sites are being shut down on the internet.
Could yours be next?

Reply: Why do you people embrace misinformation so?
No sites have been shut down.
My site has been there since the 90's, often with 6000 visitors a month. I am not breaking down any info control, in fact, I often write/submit religious articles to my local newspaper with the elders blessing.
WTS members have contacted me...with approval, so all you have written above is, like everything else here, an overblown fairy-tale.
Making mountains out of molehills, isn't that what other churches do?
http://hector3000.future.easyspace.com

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Typical JW Apologist

by TheStar in

jw
friends

this jw (like so many do) avoids discussing the real issues at hand and instead opts for: .

do jehovah's witnesses have pedophiles in their mists?.

yes but look at everyone else that does too and they're much worse.. i'm not even going to mention how badly he defends the un scandal, i'll let you read it yourself.. this guy has your typical "holier-than-thou" attitude.

hector3000

>>There was no "latest" version. The version they signed is the same one that exists today.

Reply: Wrong!
The latest NGO brochure we find that there was in fact an official change in the relationship and requirements of NGOs. (< http://www.un.org/MoreInfo/ngolink/brochure.htm>;)
Quoting from the brochure:

"After three years of negotiation, ECOSOC reviewed its arrangements for consultation with NGOs in July 1996. One outcome was ECOSOC Resolution 1996/31, which revised the arrangements for NGO consultation with ECOSOC....A second outcome...Decision 1996/297, which recommended that the General Assembly examine, at it 51st session, the QUESTION OF THE PARTICIPATION OF NGOS IN ALL AREAS OF WORK OF THE UN...Subsequently, in the General Assembly Working Group looking into the STRENGTHENING OF THE UN SYSTEM a sub-group on NGOs was formed."
The above clearly confirms exactly what the WTS has said: That *after* they applied for NGO status there was a change in the language of the "Criteria for Association."
Going to the movies, see ya later.

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Typical JW Apologist

by TheStar in

jw
friends

this jw (like so many do) avoids discussing the real issues at hand and instead opts for: .

do jehovah's witnesses have pedophiles in their mists?.

yes but look at everyone else that does too and they're much worse.. i'm not even going to mention how badly he defends the un scandal, i'll let you read it yourself.. this guy has your typical "holier-than-thou" attitude.

hector3000

hawk: Do you think they read their Dec 1, 1976 WT rag never mind the June 1, 1991 WT rag before they filled out the form?

Reply: If you could only quote your Bible for peace as well as you can quote the WT for poison.
"Access: The Dag Hammarskjöld Library is a special library . . . permission to use the Library is also given for short periods of time to advanced-level researchers who have found that materials required to complete their research are UNAVAILABLE AT DEPOSITORY LIBRARIES."--The Dag Hammarskjöld Library" http://www.un.org/Depts/dhl/services.htm#access < http://www.un.org/Depts/dhl/services.htm>;
A fair and reasonable examination of the *facts* can only lead to the conclusion that there was no "unholy alliance" with the UN. There was no contradiction of Christian principles or conflict with stated beliefs and practices of Jehovah's Witnesses. It really seem the only issue here is in the overactive imaginations of critics with an agenda of hate and discrimination.
As soon as it was pointed out to the WTS that the latest version of the Criteria for Association of NGOs contained language that they did not agree with they IMMEDIATELY withdrew their registration. Instead of seeing this as a reasonable corrective step it is dishonestly presented as some type of coverup. Idiots! These same individual's own religions refuse to correct their false doctrines, immoral standards and participation in human slaughter...but JW's are evil evil evil.
To what results are all these complaints? From what I can tell, ex-JW's are the most miserable bunch of people on earth. I see this time and again, which comes back to my earlier comment on this being a psychological problem, not an intellectual exercise.

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Typical JW Apologist

by TheStar in

jw
friends

this jw (like so many do) avoids discussing the real issues at hand and instead opts for: .

do jehovah's witnesses have pedophiles in their mists?.

yes but look at everyone else that does too and they're much worse.. i'm not even going to mention how badly he defends the un scandal, i'll let you read it yourself.. this guy has your typical "holier-than-thou" attitude.

hector3000

Sucks: Oh brother. Now hawk is going to have to dig up everything he found before just to show hector, and hector is going to close his eyes and ears and ignore the implications. Same old stuff, just another round.

Reply: Hello Suck. I have seen all of hawk's stuff before. It is like a bikini, what it reveals is interesting, what is conceals is vital:)

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Typical JW Apologist

by TheStar in

jw
friends

this jw (like so many do) avoids discussing the real issues at hand and instead opts for: .

do jehovah's witnesses have pedophiles in their mists?.

yes but look at everyone else that does too and they're much worse.. i'm not even going to mention how badly he defends the un scandal, i'll let you read it yourself.. this guy has your typical "holier-than-thou" attitude.

hector3000

Y'all migfht enjoy this:

http://www.jw-media.org/vnr/2122827332/7163532856.htm

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Typical JW Apologist

by TheStar in

jw
friends

this jw (like so many do) avoids discussing the real issues at hand and instead opts for: .

do jehovah's witnesses have pedophiles in their mists?.

yes but look at everyone else that does too and they're much worse.. i'm not even going to mention how badly he defends the un scandal, i'll let you read it yourself.. this guy has your typical "holier-than-thou" attitude.

hector3000

hawk:You also can't get around the fact the WTS has admited they belonged to the UN as an "associated NGO" during the 1990s up until October, 2001.
Anyway you slice it, the WTS was practicing the same way as all the other churches they slammed and they were in direct contravention of the 1991 WTS study article.

Reply: No, you simply misrepresented the article, and our use of it.
The WTS is no more supporting the UN organization any more than a Witness would be promoting a government when he seeks relief from injustice from any governmental authority!
My government gives me rights which I will use, the UN charter of rights and freedoms protects rights of which JW's are often the brunt of.
It is as the Apostle Paul says, we are "defending and legally establishing the good news."

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Typical JW Apologist

by TheStar in

jw
friends

this jw (like so many do) avoids discussing the real issues at hand and instead opts for: .

do jehovah's witnesses have pedophiles in their mists?.

yes but look at everyone else that does too and they're much worse.. i'm not even going to mention how badly he defends the un scandal, i'll let you read it yourself.. this guy has your typical "holier-than-thou" attitude.

hector3000

>Yes it does. This board's existance shows that ex-JWs need a lot of therapy after exiting the cultish JW religion.
>Jehovah's Witnesses make good pederasts better.
Jehovah's Witnesses are better pederasts than the pederasts produced by false religion, because they worship Jehovah.

Reply: Ahhh, I see you have brought out your best and brightest:)

185

Typical JW Apologist

by TheStar in

jw
friends

this jw (like so many do) avoids discussing the real issues at hand and instead opts for: .

do jehovah's witnesses have pedophiles in their mists?.

yes but look at everyone else that does too and they're much worse.. i'm not even going to mention how badly he defends the un scandal, i'll let you read it yourself.. this guy has your typical "holier-than-thou" attitude.

hector3000

>>But in reality and as now admited by the WTS they joined up with the UN anyway which was completely against their own doctrine taught in 1991.
Sad
hawk

Reply: No Hawk, what is sad is that you cling to this, despite the fact that we have been thru this before, and despite the facts that speak otherwise. This bespeaks your need to believe as you do, a belief-system that goes contrary to the facts at hand, a belief-system that fills a void within you. To fill this void, many resort to alcoholism, kleptomania, drugs...but you have your little site here, where you can delude yourself into thinking you actually have a point. This board represents a make-believe world disguised as an intellectual exercise. Its existence says more about you than the people you are condemning.

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Typical JW Apologist

by TheStar in

jw
friends

this jw (like so many do) avoids discussing the real issues at hand and instead opts for: .

do jehovah's witnesses have pedophiles in their mists?.

yes but look at everyone else that does too and they're much worse.. i'm not even going to mention how badly he defends the un scandal, i'll let you read it yourself.. this guy has your typical "holier-than-thou" attitude.

hector3000

Ad Hominem means "against the person," and what is amazing to me is that you don't even realize that I found your emails an attack on me, you only saw your side of the issue, and therein lies the rub.