this jw (like so many do) avoids discussing the real issues at hand and instead opts for: .
do jehovah's witnesses have pedophiles in their mists?.
yes but look at everyone else that does too and they're much worse.. i'm not even going to mention how badly he defends the un scandal, i'll let you read it yourself.. this guy has your typical "holier-than-thou" attitude.
[Dutch:"Leaving other religions out of this scenario, witnesses should be given a CHOICE as to whether to accept blood transfusions or not.]
Reply: But you do have a choice. It is completely up to you. In the end, IT IS YOUR PERSONAL CHOICE AND YOU ARE NOT FORCED TO DO ANYTHING AGAINST YOUR WILL. You are blinded by your own rhetoric.
As for the Faithful Discreet slave, you still ignored who your FDS is? You realize that you have to have one, or be one. Are you a faithful discreet slave?
this jw (like so many do) avoids discussing the real issues at hand and instead opts for: .
do jehovah's witnesses have pedophiles in their mists?.
yes but look at everyone else that does too and they're much worse.. i'm not even going to mention how badly he defends the un scandal, i'll let you read it yourself.. this guy has your typical "holier-than-thou" attitude.
[Dutchie:Take for instance he blood issue. For years witnesses were dying because they could not accept blood. Now you can have a blood transfusion with impunity.]
Reply: Do certain JW's consider themselves the faithful & discreet slave. Yes. Even if you are not a JW, you still have to have a faithful & discreet slave. If you do not consider yourself as part of an organization, then you, by default, are the faithful & discreet slave. There is no getting away from it.
Your statements, as usual, are wrong and ignorant on so many levels.
No JW's accept transfusions with impunity, despite the erroneous reporting efforts to the contrary (which is often the case, as with the whole pedophile/UN_NGO thing).
How many people actually die because of refusing blood tranfusions anyways? I will give 2 scenarios:
Man gets into a serious car accident. The hospital says he need blood. He refuses, instead he opts for a safer alternative, like Ringers Solution etc. The hospital either administers the alternative or refuses. The man dies. The cause of death is reported as "Refusal of Blood Transfusion."
Second scenario: Man gets into a serious car accident. The hospital says he need blood. The man accepts, but dies anyways. The cause of death is reported as "Car Accident," when in reality, both people died of the same thing.
Due to an anti-JW agenda though, we will never get to the truth in many cases.
I would like to know how many lives have been saved to due the rejection of blood transfusions. This, like the converse will be hard to chart.
It is a little known fact that there are deaths every year in relation to circumcisions. These are infant deaths.Please see: http://www.sexuallymutilatedchild.org/deathsdo.htm These are also a requirement by certain religious groups. Yet no one seems to criticize this practice. The reason for this is because it is easier to pick on a little group that is considered a "cult" rather than on larger groups that have powerful political backing.
"When compared to the treatment of other religions there seems to be a disparity in the treatment of Jehovah's Witnesses. For example we have never heard of forced abortion on a Catholic, even if that woman's life is in danger. Doctor's have accepted in these instances that the
Catholic's beliefs are more important than their interest in keeping the woman alive." Robert Conlon, "No Blood! The History of Jehovah's Witnesses and the Issue of Blood Transfusions
this jw (like so many do) avoids discussing the real issues at hand and instead opts for: .
do jehovah's witnesses have pedophiles in their mists?.
yes but look at everyone else that does too and they're much worse.. i'm not even going to mention how badly he defends the un scandal, i'll let you read it yourself.. this guy has your typical "holier-than-thou" attitude.
[funky: Where exactly does the Bible encourage such speculation? Matthew 25:13 says quite clearly "you do not know the day or the hour."]
Reply: And we have never pointed to a "day or the hour."
But the Bible does provide us with a plethora of numbers and dates as to which we can determine the end. It never says, "Thou shalt not take Bible prophecy and apply them to your own day."
It was a promise that certain things would be locked up until the end:
"But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase." Dan 12:4 RSV
this jw (like so many do) avoids discussing the real issues at hand and instead opts for: .
do jehovah's witnesses have pedophiles in their mists?.
yes but look at everyone else that does too and they're much worse.. i'm not even going to mention how badly he defends the un scandal, i'll let you read it yourself.. this guy has your typical "holier-than-thou" attitude.
Often when the WTS uses the word "prophet" concerning themselves, you will notice that the word is surrounded by quotation marks, indicating not a seer, but a prophet in a quasi-sense. It is just like the Billy Graham is called a prophet (see amazon.com's "A Prophet With Honor : The Billy Graham Story" by William Martin)
and another Church leader, Klemp (see amazon.com's "Autobiography of a Modern Prophet"
by Harold Klemp). The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language uses the word *prophet* also as "A person gifted with profound moral insight and exceptional powers of expression" and "The chief spokesperson of a movement or cause." This is how the word prophet is used of these men in a quasi-sense, just like JW's use it.
Joseph Smith is one that "originates" prophecy, as he makes them up. JW's take TRUE Bible prophecy and chronology and apply them to our day, much like everyone else has done.
Let us take a look at the Christian New Testament view of False Prophets:
Matt 7:15: False Prophets (hereafter FP) are ravenous wolves.
Matt 24:24: FP perform miracles (See Good News Bible)
Acts 13:6: FP's are likened to "sorcerors."
2 Peter 2:1: FP's teach "untrue doctrines" TEV
This does not describe JW's at all, in fact, it sounds more like a charismatic revival.
JW's do not refer to themselves as prophets, and they do not make prophecies, they have speculated because the Bible encourages that.
They don't perform miracles or do sorcery.
They almost exclusively teach Biblical doctrines, not "untrue ones" like trinitarian xtianity.
If it looks like a duck, and walks like a duck, then it is nominal xtianity that are the real false prophets.
this jw (like so many do) avoids discussing the real issues at hand and instead opts for: .
do jehovah's witnesses have pedophiles in their mists?.
yes but look at everyone else that does too and they're much worse.. i'm not even going to mention how badly he defends the un scandal, i'll let you read it yourself.. this guy has your typical "holier-than-thou" attitude.
[Have a nice day and again thanks for admitting the WTS kinda blew it on the UN scandal. I know it took a lot for you to admit what you did. Impressive.]
Reply: Amazing, but your treatment of what I said has been homogenized by the hawk-factory:)
But, this explains exactly how incorrectly you read everything you that you do.
this jw (like so many do) avoids discussing the real issues at hand and instead opts for: .
do jehovah's witnesses have pedophiles in their mists?.
yes but look at everyone else that does too and they're much worse.. i'm not even going to mention how badly he defends the un scandal, i'll let you read it yourself.. this guy has your typical "holier-than-thou" attitude.
>>They speak truth to us. They do not make constant predictions that do not come true.
Reply: No they don't, and neither do JW's. For us to make predictions, we would have to originate prophecy, and we don't.
They do not encourage us to let our loved ones die by withholding life saving blood.
Reply: The converse is just as applicable, so this statement must be taken for what it is, a simple ad hominem.
They would not encourage dissolution of families by a shunning requirement.
Witnesses teach a legislated morality that hinges on your being expelled from the congregation if you misstep.
Reply: Biblically, you cannot be a Christian, and NOT shun.
And yes, I can back all of the above.
this jw (like so many do) avoids discussing the real issues at hand and instead opts for: .
do jehovah's witnesses have pedophiles in their mists?.
yes but look at everyone else that does too and they're much worse.. i'm not even going to mention how badly he defends the un scandal, i'll let you read it yourself.. this guy has your typical "holier-than-thou" attitude.
dutchie: Matthew 23:10 says that our Leader is Jesus Christ.
Reply: Thank you. Finally an intelligent post. However, while he is our leader, we have others also. The following are from the English Revised Version:
"Obey your leaders and submit to their authority." Heb 13:17
"Remember your leaders, who spoke God's message to you." Heb 13:7
"Greet all your leaders and all God's people." Heb 13:24
So, the Bible is not as exclusive in these areas as we would like to believe.
this jw (like so many do) avoids discussing the real issues at hand and instead opts for: .
do jehovah's witnesses have pedophiles in their mists?.
yes but look at everyone else that does too and they're much worse.. i'm not even going to mention how badly he defends the un scandal, i'll let you read it yourself.. this guy has your typical "holier-than-thou" attitude.
I'm sorry, I hadn't realized the question was that difficult.
Let me ask you again, slowly this time. From the Bible...w h o i s y o u r l e a d e r?
this jw (like so many do) avoids discussing the real issues at hand and instead opts for: .
do jehovah's witnesses have pedophiles in their mists?.
yes but look at everyone else that does too and they're much worse.. i'm not even going to mention how badly he defends the un scandal, i'll let you read it yourself.. this guy has your typical "holier-than-thou" attitude.
Sucks: Wow, so does this mean that a**holes go to heaven?
Reply: No, that term is reserved for senior members of this board.
Again, it is not that hard of a question: From the Bible...who is your leader?
this jw (like so many do) avoids discussing the real issues at hand and instead opts for: .
do jehovah's witnesses have pedophiles in their mists?.
yes but look at everyone else that does too and they're much worse.. i'm not even going to mention how badly he defends the un scandal, i'll let you read it yourself.. this guy has your typical "holier-than-thou" attitude.
Interesting diatribe Francois, but you have addressed absolutely nothing.
Let me ask you. From the Bible...who is your leader?
Perhaps you can ask your slimmed down "diety perfect" God.
