Is there anyone in Ireland interested in making contact, please post here or PM me (if I don't already know you). Especially anyone near the North/South border.
Gladring
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Any ex-Witnesses, DF, DA, faded in Ireland?
by Gladring inis there anyone in ireland interested in making contact, please post here or pm me (if i don't already know you).
especially anyone near the north/south border.. .
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Did Joseph and Mary leave town because....
by cameo-d inthey were trying to avoid the census????.
does anyone have any historical research on exactly how the census was performed duing those days?.
were people really expected to travel for days to go "turn themselves in"?.
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The preamble from aforementioned article:
I. The Basic Problem
The Gospel of Luke claims (2.1-2) that Jesus was born during a census that we know from the historian Josephus took place after Herod the Great died, and after his successor, Archelaus, was deposed. But Matthew claims (2.1-3) that Jesus was born when Herod the Great was still alive--possibly two years before he died (2:7-16). Other elements of their stories also contradict each other. Since Josephus precisely dates the census to 6 A.D. and Herod's death to 4 B.C., and the sequence is indisputable, Luke and Matthew contradict each other.
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Did Joseph and Mary leave town because....
by cameo-d inthey were trying to avoid the census????.
does anyone have any historical research on exactly how the census was performed duing those days?.
were people really expected to travel for days to go "turn themselves in"?.
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Gladring
There is a fantastic, thorough study of the Nativity story here:
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/quirinius.html
It goes into a lot of detail.
Short version: It really is a smoking gun that the gospel writers were making stuff up. The date of the census mentioned in luke conflicts with matthews account which places the nativity during the reign of Herod.
Prophecy declared that the messiah should be born in Bethlehem. Everyone knew that Jesus was from Nazareth. The two gospel writers attempt to deal with this in two ways. In Matthew's account it appears that Jesus' family lived in Bethlehem and had to flee to Egypt because of the Massacre of the innocents - when they returned they settled in Nazareth. Luke has the family based in Nazareth, they go to Bethlehem for the birth, and return to Nazareth. The two writers deal with the problem in two different and conflicting ways and are caught with the pants down.
Christian apologists have attempted to get around this problem in various ways, all of which are dealt with in the above link.
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FYI Here's p. 1 - Article 2 of 2003 Amended & Restated WT of PA Charter-GB still has liability
by AndersonsInfo inlet's have some comments about this interesting document.
barbara
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Gladring
I can't see either of those links?
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BIG - Irish Gov't Told to Set National Policy on JWs and Blood
by skeeter1 ini can't get this important article to post, so here's the link.
please read it.. http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0404/1224244010408.html.
this is the irish authorities that are looking into the jws and blood.
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Gladring
digderidoo said - "It's just a lot of hot air being stirred up by someone."
...and I tend to agree. This is fallout from a conference linked to in a post on page one by Mickey Mouse. It also follows on from a story I posted about last week here - http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/medical/173189/1/JW-Blood-Issue-on-Irish-Radio
The conference tickets cost 350 euro, otherwise I would have liked to go along. I don't see why the need for urgent action on this particular story. From reading material on the Haemo-vigilance page the professionals involved seem to be quite aware of the ethical issues involved.
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JWs & Atheists - Great (Cultic) Minds Think Alike
by Perry injws & atheists - great (cultic) minds think alike.
in the jehovahs witness religion, there is a ceremony known in those circles as the memorial of christs death, or just the memorial for short.
it is claimed and believed among members that jehovahs witnesses observe the exact same ceremony that is more widely known as the lords supper among christians.
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Gladring
Caedes said:
...then add on a supernatural omnipotent being that created it, this addition does not reduce the complexity of the universe, it adds to it.
I think that is game, set, and match!
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JW Blood Issue on Irish Radio
by Gladring inthere will be a discussion re: blood and jws on irish radio on the pat kenny show on rte radio 1 some time in the next two hours.. www.rte.ie.
listen live on http://www.rte.ie/radio/liveplayer_av.html?1,null,200,http://dynamic.rte.ie/av/live/radio/radio1.smil.
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Hi Wobble,
This guy Richard Daniel is in Dublin for a conference held by the Royal College of Physicians of Ireland and is speaking about informed consent and JW/blood.
It was a pretty soft interview really. I was texting and emailing the show, but there was no balance really. Just discussing the ethical side of it. Bit of a let down :(
On the other hand, I'm having a good time trying to track down Richard Daniel on the interwebby. I'll let y'all know what I find.
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JW Blood Issue on Irish Radio
by Gladring inthere will be a discussion re: blood and jws on irish radio on the pat kenny show on rte radio 1 some time in the next two hours.. www.rte.ie.
listen live on http://www.rte.ie/radio/liveplayer_av.html?1,null,200,http://dynamic.rte.ie/av/live/radio/radio1.smil.
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Richard Daniel seems to be the same guy operating in this news item.
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JW Blood Issue on Irish Radio
by Gladring inthere will be a discussion re: blood and jws on irish radio on the pat kenny show on rte radio 1 some time in the next two hours.. www.rte.ie.
listen live on http://www.rte.ie/radio/liveplayer_av.html?1,null,200,http://dynamic.rte.ie/av/live/radio/radio1.smil.
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Richard Daniel featured in this case - http://www.religionnewsblog.com/21088/jehovahs-witnnesses-quackery
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He also represented JWs in Dublin.
Anyone have info on this guy?
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JW Blood Issue on Irish Radio
by Gladring inthere will be a discussion re: blood and jws on irish radio on the pat kenny show on rte radio 1 some time in the next two hours.. www.rte.ie.
listen live on http://www.rte.ie/radio/liveplayer_av.html?1,null,200,http://dynamic.rte.ie/av/live/radio/radio1.smil.
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The feature includes comments from Richard Daniel barrister at law and specialising in human rights, and he is a JW.