I was raised in the 60's, It is sad to hear about the indignaties and abuse that this organazation (who claims to demonstrate brotherly love)and it's members condone if not actively encourage, subject their children to .
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Physical Child Abuse.
by recovering ini have been a member of this forum for a while.
most of the time here limiting myself to lurking in the background without saying much (i am posting more recently).
i was wondering those of you who where raised as jw did you experience physical abuse as a child?
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NY Post Article on sale of Brooklyn Properties
by CaptainSchmideo inhttp://www.nypost.com/seven/05142007/news/regionalnews/the_land_lord_regionalnews_rich_calder.htm.
my cousin's wife sent me a scan of a clipping of this article, without a trace of irony in her message.
(actually, she sent it without comment at all!).
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One of their real estate deals fell through I work very close to where bethel is. It was in the NY post in a more recent article
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Is there a doctor in the house? Body builder?
by FiveShadows ini'm trying to restart my body building and have met several people that work out and train on a regular basis.
i want to get healthy, partly over the fact that my health isn't doing too good.
i'm very thin, but the deal is, my cholestrol level is bad.
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I have had enough of you twisting of what I said and making nonsensical arguments and claims Vinny.
1 I never said that stones are found are found through out the body. What I said was:" In some cases, gallstones can block the ducts that lead from your gallbladder, liver or pancreas to your small intestine. “And that “If you indeed have gallstones an acute gallstone attack may occur or be made worse after you eat high-fat foods (for example ingesting oil). " What I was addressing is the danger that your cleansing treatment presents to those unfortunate enough to have gallstones. Not every one has this malady.
2 Epson salts do not open the biliary ducts. Epson salt (Magnesium sulfate) does have medical uses. In its prescription form it is used to halt premature labor. If it was effective in the treatment of gallstones don't you think the drug companies would be marketing it as such? After all the pharmaceutical companies are all about turning a profit.
3 By the way, there are other options for dealing with gallstones besides surgery. Your physician is the one who is best equipped whether surgery, or one of the following alternatives is your best option;
Bile salt tablets.
Your doctor may have you take the medication ursodiol (Actigall), which dissolves cholesterol stones over a period of time. The treatment works best on small cholesterol stones, but is only effective about 50 percent of the time. To prevent a recurrence, most people need to take the medication for years or longer.
Sound wave therapy (extracorporeal shock wave lithotripsy).
This treatment uses high-frequency sound waves to break up gallstones. You then take ursodiol tablets to dissolve the fragments. Sound wave therapy is appropriate for only a small percentage of people with gallstones. If you have more than one stone, your stone is large, or you have acute cholecystitis or cholangitis, you're probably not a good candidate for this treatment. And, as with other nonsurgical therapies, your gallstones are likely to return unless you take ursodiol indefinitely.
Percutaneous electrohydraulic lithotripsy.
This procedure relies on a catheter that's inserted into the gallbladder several weeks prior to the treatment. A small probe is inserted into the catheter to deliver short bursts of energy to break up the stones. This is the only nonsurgical treatment option that can be used on any type of gallstone, including pigment stones. Because this procedure is time-consuming and isn't widely available, it's usually considered only for people with a high risk of surgical complications, such as people with heart disease.
Topical gallstone dissolution
. In this procedure, a small catheter is inserted into the gallbladder. A solution that dissolves cholesterol gallstones is then delivered through the catheter into the gallbladder over a several hour period. This option has lower recurrence rates than medication, but it's still considered experimental and isn't widely available.
4 You are very cavalier in offering medical advice Vinny. You refuse to even accept the possibility what you are advocating could be dangerous. It is sad that the evidence that you use all comes from websites that have a vested financial interest in selling this so called Miracle cure. (Miracle cure is my term for anything that claims to cure everything under the sun.) The shear scope of what the cleanse professes to cure should be a tip of to you that the climes are false
Food cravings, diarrhea, constipation, hernia, flatulence, hemorrhoids, breathing difficulties, hepatitis and other types of infection, high cholesterol, pancreatitis, heart disease, brain disorders, duodenal ulcers, nausea and vomiting, a "bilious" or angry personality, depression, impotence and other sexual problems, prostate diseases, urinary problems, hormonal imbalances, PMT and menopausal symptoms, problems with vision, puffy eyes, all skin disorders, liver spots especially on the back of the hands and facial area, excessive weight or wasting, strong shoulder and back pain, a pain at the top of the shoulder blade, frozen shoulder, stiff neck, dark color under the eyes, coated tongue, scoliosis, gout, asthma, headaches and migraines, tooth and gum problems, yellowness of the eyes and skin, sciatica, numbness and paralysis of legs, joint diseases, osteoporosis, obesity, chronic fatigue, kidney diseases, cancer, MS, ME, cold extremities, excessive heat and perspiration in the upper part of the body, very greasy hair, to name some.
If you can find me an unbiased scientific study supporting all these wild claims I will publically apologize to you right here on this forum. If you can not I suggest you stop making these claims
By the way unbiased means independent review and study by an accredited institution i.e. university, medical journal, FDA report
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Is there a doctor in the house? Body builder?
by FiveShadows ini'm trying to restart my body building and have met several people that work out and train on a regular basis.
i want to get healthy, partly over the fact that my health isn't doing too good.
i'm very thin, but the deal is, my cholestrol level is bad.
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You have failed to list one reason WHY this is a bad and dangerous cleanse to take. You have ignored the testimony of thousands of people that have done this with nothing but success and no complications or death
Please tell me how you know that there have been no complications or death resulting from this treatment ?
No medical treatment is 100 % safe. Even the simple act of taking a baby aspirin can risk mortality in those that are allergic or have coagulapathies.For you to claim this further demonstrates that you are being either disingenuous or at best ill informed.
Since you insist I will list possible dangers.
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Part of the liver cleanse you advocate includes the intake of 3/4 to full cup of olive oil (oil is a fat) If you indeed have gallstones an acute gallstone attack may occur or be made worse after you eat high-fat foods (for example ingesting oil). What are some of the dangers of an acute gall stone attack?
Blockage of the common bile duct. In some cases, gallstones can block the ducts that lead from your gallbladder, liver or pancreas to your small intestine. The signs and symptoms of common bile duct obstruction include yellowing of the whites of the eyes and skin (jaundice), dark urine, and pain in the upper abdomen. If you also have fever and chills, you may have an underlying complication such as an inflamed gallbladder (cholecystitis) or an infection in your bile duct (cholangitis).
Inflammation of the pancreas. An obstruction in the common bile duct near the junction with the pancreatic duct can also cause a blockage in the pancreatic duct or inflammation of the pancreas (acute pancreatitis). In many people the common duct and the pancreatic duct empty into the duodenum at a common opening.
Pancreatitis is likely to cause an intense, constant pain in your upper abdomen that may radiate to your back or chest. The pain is usually worse when you lie flat and better when you sit up or bend forward. You may not be able to pass gas, and your abdomen may be tender and distended. Sometimes, you may also have nausea, vomiting and fever. In mild cases, symptoms usually subside within a few days to a week, but severe acute pancreatitis can be life-threatening.
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There is also the the possible issues associated with the ingestion of Epson salt. Epson salt is the chemical Magnesium sulfate . Magnesium sulfate should be given very cautiously due to the risk of serious impairment of renal function since it is excreted almost entirely by the kidneys
There is also danger of drug interactions. When barbiturates, narcotics, or other hypnotics (or systemic anesthetics) are to be given in conjunction with magnesium sulfate (Epson salt), their dosage should be adjusted with caution because of the additive central depressive effects of magnesium.
Some other possible negative side effects of Magnesium sulfate ingestion include due to Hypermagnesemia which may be caused by ingestion of magnesium-containing substances such as vitamins, antacids, or cathartics (magnesium sulfate /Epson salt) by patients with chronic renal failure.
Nausea
Vomiting
Skin flushing
Weakness
Lightheadedness
Disappearance of deep tendon reflexes
Muscle weakness
Serum magnesium levels of 5.0-6.0 mEq/L are related to the following:
Hypotension
Vasodilatation
Arrhythmia, including atrial fibrillation
Intraventricular conduction delay
Flaccid skeletal muscle paralysis
Asystole
Heart block
Ventilatory failure
Stupor or coma
Death
Elevated levels of magnesium also are associated with the following:
Delayed thrombin formation
Platelet clumping
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Physical Child Abuse.
by recovering ini have been a member of this forum for a while.
most of the time here limiting myself to lurking in the background without saying much (i am posting more recently).
i was wondering those of you who where raised as jw did you experience physical abuse as a child?
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Thank you everyone for your advice. I will try and keep what you have councelled in mind. My non-jw wife tends to agree with you all. I saw a topic on most parent's would be proud on this website. I could relate to this poor person's plight. I am begginning to see that I was not the only one to experience these issues within this cult.
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Is there a doctor in the house? Body builder?
by FiveShadows ini'm trying to restart my body building and have met several people that work out and train on a regular basis.
i want to get healthy, partly over the fact that my health isn't doing too good.
i'm very thin, but the deal is, my cholestrol level is bad.
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My argument is not one of a personal nature Vinny. I am just very concerned with the information you are disseminating. I am sure you really think that what you have suggested and claimed is correct. < Sigh> you are convinced and no matter what proof I provide you are not going to accept it it seems. I know for a fact that you are mistaken in what you claim . My fear is twofold.
1 The most important is that some one will get sick following your advice.
2 If others see us supporting a very publically discredited charlatan theories , they may be less inclined to believe what we have to say about the witnesses.
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Is there a doctor in the house? Body builder?
by FiveShadows ini'm trying to restart my body building and have met several people that work out and train on a regular basis.
i want to get healthy, partly over the fact that my health isn't doing too good.
i'm very thin, but the deal is, my cholestrol level is bad.
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Here is a much more authoritative reference with regards gallstones. The American Gastroenterological Association
Please remember to consult with a reputable medical professional before undertaking any medical treatment
I did not forget my promise to post my work ID Vinny lol
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Is there a doctor in the house? Body builder?
by FiveShadows ini'm trying to restart my body building and have met several people that work out and train on a regular basis.
i want to get healthy, partly over the fact that my health isn't doing too good.
i'm very thin, but the deal is, my cholestrol level is bad.
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Ok you are forcing me to reveal more of my identity than I wanted to. As I stated before I am a lithotripsy specialist. A lithotripsy specialist is an allied health professional whose particular field of expertise is the treatment of calcifications/stones. I have taught lithotripsy in a major teaching hospital for many years. I have also lectured nationally on the operation of lithotripsy equipment, and procedures. I am posting my work Id to prove my credentials to you to you Vinny. I am going to try to correct some of your misconceptions.
First of all your description of gallstones as I pointed out before is incorrect. You described them as soft .Gall stones are crystalline in nature and are very hard. Also in an earlier post you claimed to have passed one the size of a meatball. As I pointed out before, stones larger than 5 mm would have an extremely difficult time getting through the common bile duct. As a matter of fact even when gallstones are physically crushed in the gall bladder (Eswl) it is difficult to get them to empty from the gallbladder. Next as far as the proof you have offered in support of your claims. None are from respected peer reviewed medical journals. In fact one of your citations lists this person (Hulda Regehr Clark, Ph.D., N.D.) She has been been involved in many incidences of medical fraud. Here is the Wikipedia article regarding her claims and the Food and Drug Administration and federal trade commission actions and sanctions against her. As the article notes even other Homeopathic (naturopathic physician,) practitioners have concluded that Clark's treatments were ineffective and that treatments based on Clark's recommendations "pose a substantive public health danger" Certainly, Dr Clark is not the person whose theories you want to be basing your medical well being on.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulda_Regehr_Clark
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Most parents would be proud...
by Odrade inabout a year ago, he had an emotional crisis and questioned a lot of things, including his faith.
i thought (and hoped) that he would consider his beliefs and come realize that his beliefs were part of his crisis.
this was not the case, but he and i continue to be on good terms.
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I sent you a pm odrade
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Is there a doctor in the house? Body builder?
by FiveShadows ini'm trying to restart my body building and have met several people that work out and train on a regular basis.
i want to get healthy, partly over the fact that my health isn't doing too good.
i'm very thin, but the deal is, my cholestrol level is bad.
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Vinny I am a health care provider (I am a Lithotripsy Specialist) Any gall stones would have to pass through the common bile duct, It's internal diameter is only 4mm to 11 mm. (The normal diameter is considered to be around 6mm over 8mm is considered dilated) the size stone you are describing passing would be impossible to get out of the liver, through the gall bladder, and past the common bile duct. What you are describing is most likely bile-stained "soaps" produced by partial saponification (soap formation) of the oil. It is considered that any stone over 5mm in size has a chance of getting lodged in the common Bile duct or in the Sphincter of Oddi.
I am not trying to argue with you Vinny, just trying to present the facts.
Here is a more scholarly look at the anatomy and Physiology of the biliary system if you are interested.
