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  Law Suit against the WBTS

  by God_Delusion in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i am sure this has been brought up in a thread before, but i wanted to know if anyone had successfully won a legal battle against the wbts?

  for example, i have read that some of you knew ones that died because they declined having an organ transplant.

  someone surely must have at least tried to sue, right?.

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  I wan't to make something clear I should have put quotes around the article I was not involved in the case I was just copy pasting an article that i read and saved
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  Law Suit against the WBTS

  by God_Delusion in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i am sure this has been brought up in a thread before, but i wanted to know if anyone had successfully won a legal battle against the wbts?

  for example, i have read that some of you knew ones that died because they declined having an organ transplant.

  someone surely must have at least tried to sue, right?.

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  recovering

  Usually if there is any chance of loosing a case the WTBS settles out of court so that no precident is set. ie sex abuse settlements (they also make sure there is a nondisclosure clause)

  Here is a case that they settled (not an abuse case, also no nondisclosure clause)

  The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, which is the umbrella organization over 6 million Witnesses worldwide, paid the estate of Frances Coughlin $1.55 million dollars rather than let a jury decide the wrongful death lawsuit.

  Frances Coughlin's surviving family sued Jehovah's Witnesses, also known as the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, in State of Connecticut Superior Court at Milford (CV-00-0072183 S).

  The principle defendant was a "Bethelite," or full-time ministry worker, who drove recklessly in bad weather and killed Ms. Coughlin, a mother and grandmother, on October 8, 1998.

  That Bethelite Jordon Johnson was traveling between "Bethel," which has housing for its full-time workers in Patison, New Jersey and Brooklyn, New York, to a Witness Kingdom Hall he was assigned to in Derby, Connecticut.

  Johnson was found guilty of vehicular manslaughter, but only served 30 days in jail and was sentenced to two years probation. Subsequently, he and Jehovah's Witnesses faced a civil suit filed by Ms. Coughlin's surviving family for damages.

  Why was the Witness organization willing to pay more than $1.5 million dollars?

  Apparently because a much larger issue of "agency" was at stake.

  Agency is the word used to express a relationship between a principal party and its agent, through which the principal party projects its power and/or advances some purpose. And a principal party may be held liable for the actions of its agent.

  Jehovah's Witnesses contended that Jordan Johnson acted on his own and was not their agent at the time he caused the fatal car wreck.

  But plaintiff's counsel, Joel Faxon of Koskoff, Koskoff & Bieder, claimed on his client's behalf that Jordan Johnson was serving as a Bethelite and agent of the organization at the time and advancing their purpose, therefore Jehovah's Witnesses was responsible for his actions.

  Internal documents were obtained through the discovery process and testimony was given through depositions, which clarified and substantiated Faxon's view.

  I was retained as an expert witness and consultant for this case by the plaintiff's counsel.

  My role was to assist in the discovery process, provide research and generally help to form a basis for an understanding of how Jehovah's Witnesses employ, use and control Bethelites and others within their organization. Ultimately, I would have also testified as an expert in court.

  That testimony would have included explaining in clear terms how the organizational dynamics, indoctrination and objectives of Jehovah's Witnesses impact individual members and more specifically full-time workers such as Bethelite Jordan Johnson.

  But on the first day of trial Jehovah's Witnesses decided they didn't want a jury to decide this case and instead $1.55 million was paid to the plaintiff.

  The organization that claims it is waiting for the ever-eminent "end of the world" decided to settle in a pragmatic move to protect its long-term interests and more than $1 billion dollars of accumulated assets.
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  Law Suit against the WBTS

  by God_Delusion in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i am sure this has been brought up in a thread before, but i wanted to know if anyone had successfully won a legal battle against the wbts?

  for example, i have read that some of you knew ones that died because they declined having an organ transplant.

  someone surely must have at least tried to sue, right?.

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  recovering

  here is one and there are more

  In 1940, Moyle sued the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania and the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York over the response in The Watchtower. Rutherford presented a public resolution at a 1941 convention against Moyle, with reference to the September 15, 1941 issue of The Watchtower. [ 13 ] Moyle won his suit, and the court awarded him $30,000 in damages, which was reduced to $15,000 on appeal in 1944. [ 14 ]

  The initial jury verdict was affirmed twice on appeal; first by the five member Appellate Division, 2nd Department (3-2); and second, unanimously, by the seven members of the state's highest court, The Court of Appeals, in the capitol at Albany. [ 15 ]
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  whoa some of russells teachings where more correct than current JW teachings please comment

  by recovering in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was on wikipedia looking up some of charles taze russells teachings, look at what i found.

  whoa some of russells teachings where more correct than current jw teachings .

  please discuss.

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  ha ha

  no minimus just the outlined portion regarding global warming the rest is hogwash. i just wanted to stir the pot and get some discussion going.
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  whoa some of russells teachings where more correct than current JW teachings please comment

  by recovering in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was on wikipedia looking up some of charles taze russells teachings, look at what i found.

  whoa some of russells teachings where more correct than current jw teachings .

  please discuss.

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  I was on wikipedia looking up some of Charles Taze Russells teachings, look at what i found. . Whoa some of russells teachings where more correct than current JW teachings . Please discuss

  Climate change. In writings as early as 1883 (and through to the end of his life) Russell repeatedly expressed the view that the world's climate would gradually but significantly change as a prelude to the re-establishment of Eden-like conditions. These changes, he said, would include the gradual melting of the Greenland ice sheet, the Arctic and Antarctic polar ice caps, and the general warming of the earth. [39]

  I think His Christian Zionism teachings also explain why jehovah's witnesses seem to mirror judeism in there beliefs.

  Christian Zionism. Expanding upon an idea suggested by Nelson Barbour, Russell taught as early as 1879 that God's favor had been restored to Jews as the result of a prophetic "double" which had ended in 1878 (favor from Jacob to Jesus, then disfavor from Jesus until 1878). In 1910, he conducted a meeting at New York's Hippodrome Theater, with thousands of Jews attending. Jews and Christians alike were shocked by his teaching that Jews should not convert to Christianity. Russell believed that the land of Palestine belonged exclusively to the Jewish race, that God was now calling them back to their land, and that they would be the center of earthly leadership under God's Kingdom. Early in Russell's ministry, he speculated that the Jews would possibly flock to Palestine and form their own nation by the year 1910. Shortly before his death, he utilized the Jewish press to stress that 1914 prophetically marked the time when Gentile nations no longer had earthly authority with the result that all Jews were, from that time onward, permitted and guided by God to gather to Palestine and boldly reclaim the land for themselves.

  edit no I do not think he was correct
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  Advice Needed!

  by Cthulhu in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so, as some of you know, the dubs in my locale have this story about me and breaking and entering and selling stolen goods, etc.

  i've recieved several calls during the last few days.

  they've even stopped at my job, again.

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  say nothing anything you say can be used against you in court
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  Would You Have Remained A Witness If They Weren't Sooo Strict?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i think i would've probably tolerated the religion if "conscience" really did play a role in the religion.

  there are many people in religions that do not believe every thing that is taught, yet they are still members in good standing.

  of course, jehovah's witnesses aren't like that.. you have to believe it all or you will be "no longer considered a jehovah's witness".

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  if they allowed for dissent among the members with regards to some of their theology possibly. I never was able to agree with their view as to dates etc. Furthermore if they allowed for a mechanism for disagreement, that would truly be considered by their upper level hirachy i would feel that at least we had a voice. One good example of this is the 2 witness rule regarding child abuse. They should have allowed for the rank and file to voice there opinion without reprecussions. They are so controling , that they alianated me as well as many others with their iron clad policies. They are afraid of any outside research or secular education. Why? because they know that a person trained to have a secular critical mind will poke vast holes in their policies.

  many mainstream christian religions do offer mechanisms for expressing dissent and it is viewed as healthy. Here is a reference to baptists

  http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0NXG/is_1_39/ai_113759506/
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  Why am I Renouncing My JW Faith...Part 3

  by tjlibre in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  describing your personality in writing is a challenging task.

  they say that body language represents 85% of our communication, obviously you cant see my face as i give this account.

  the following might probably make me sound like a prideful person, but ill like to say that im far from that.

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  ah much clearer after reading the next part of your story thanks
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  Why am I Renouncing My JW Faith...Part 3

  by tjlibre in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  describing your personality in writing is a challenging task.

  they say that body language represents 85% of our communication, obviously you cant see my face as i give this account.

  the following might probably make me sound like a prideful person, but ill like to say that im far from that.

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  I am confused , in another post you claimed to be an elder " I’m a very active elder."

  On this thread you say you are a MS who was blocked from being an elder. Did i miss something ?

  I am just looking for a little clarification :)
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  Will the Book Study ever be dropped from the weekly meetings?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the book study is one of the most useless meetings.

  the same books have been studied 3 or 4 times.the meeting takes only an hour but takes up most of your evening.

  and, it is one of the least attended meetings.. why haven't they combined the watchtower study with just question and answer and then follow with the book study with just question and answer?

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  recovering

  he he it has been accomplished , it is gone