Simon you know full well that the constitution does not give non citizens the right to vote. I have never claimed it did. However I did point out that it does afford many rights to non citizens. You may not like it , but that is U.S. Law.
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You can say what you want, no U.S. court has ruled that this is indeed the interpretation of the constitution is as you say. The courts have indeed applied the constitution to noncitizens. Here are some court rulings to consider
Almeida-Sanchez v. United States, 413 U.S. 266 (1973). See also Bridges v. Wixon, 326 U.S. 135, 161 (1945) (Murphy. J., concurring) (arguing that noncitizens are protected by the First, Fifth, and Fourteenth Amendments); Wong Wing v. United States, 163 U.S. 228 (1896) (holding that noncitizens charged with crimes are protected by the Fifth, Sixth, and Fourteenth Amendments); Fong Yue Ting v. United States, 149 U.S. 698, 724 (1893) (observing that foreign nationals are entitled to all "the safeguards of the Constitution, and to the protection of the laws, in regard to their rights of person and of property, and to their civil and criminal responsibil-ity"); Nishimura Ekiu v. United States, 142 U.S. 651,660 (1892) (noting that foreign nationals incarcerated here have a constitutional right to invoke habeas corpus). Chief Justice Rehnquist suggested some limitation on the rights of some foreign na-tionals in the United States in his plurality opinion in United States v. Verdugo-Ur-quidez, 494 U.S. 259, 271 (1990), in which he suggested that a Mexican citizen who had been involuntarily brought into this country for criminal prosecution was not part of "the people" eligible to invoke the Fourth Amendment. However, he was unable to gamer a majority for that view, and Justice Kennedy, whose vote was necessary to the majority in that case, expressly rejected Rehnquist's suggestion that the Fourth Amendment did not extend to all persons present in the United States. !d. at 276-77 (Kennedy, J., concurring). Justice Kennedy rested instead on the fact that the search took place beyond our borders, a factor also relied upon by Chief Justice Rehnquist. [d. at 278.
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Being a Muslim of course should not be an instant pass. Never said that. I would.object to an Isis member being allowed to immigrate. Not because of their religion ,but because of their political belief in a theocracy and their use of terrorism to achieve it. However ones religion should never be a determinant in immigration policy according to the U.S. Constitution. If you can find a different opinion of a U.S. court .please let me know.
lol here we go with the names again. The last resort for those that can not defend their position logically. I am a big boy the name calling really does.not.affect.me.however.
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Who's saying that should happen?
Cofty said that quote. Others have claimed that you Simon do not claim , that all Muslims are evil.
Your above comment seems that you are again making that claim.
Islam the.religion is not united in all it's beliefs. There are some factions who are coolant and are oppressive just like their are christian and jewish sects who have a penchant for forcing their beliefs on others.
Islam, like Christianity, is not a homogenous religion. It is divided into many traditions, the main ones being Sunni, Shi'ite, and Sufi.
A very small, radical, hate-filled, extremist, fundamentalist, terrorist wing does exist. Many of its followers follow a fundamentalist version of Islam called Wahhabi. However, Islam also has a much larger peaceful, moderate wing. Unfortunately, the former seem to capture all the media's attention, while the latter is rarely heard from or even discussed by non-Muslims.It obvious that no one individual speaks for all Muslims. Islam has no single central human authority, comparable to the pope and Vatican for the Roman Catholic Church, or to various General Assemblies and the Lambeth Conferences for the Anglican Communion. Rather, it is divided into many traditions and schools.
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Simon I have backed.up my argument with facts to which you counter.with emotional arguments. How have I mischaracterized what you said? Are the quotes I have attributed to you not yours? Are you now telling me that you know support the first amendment of the U.S.Constitution? Are you telling me that now you support the immigration of Muslims ? Or.are.You going to reiterate your previous objection to their immigration?
The funny thing is I think all religion is a croc . The only reason for my stance is purely on constitutional grounds. My ethnocentric mind thinks that the U.S. Constitution is one of the best frameworks for government. do you know of a better system?
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Cofty this has been my point all along. Muslims who accept democracy and wish to be included in our society should not be barred from doing so simply because of their religion.
Some immigration from Muslim majority countries by individuals who wish to adopt western values of personal freedom and liberal democracy is fine
Bandicoot you on the other hand , are not above manipulation of a study to further your agenda. Perhaps it is due to the substandard education you received as a JW. You do not know how to research a subject . Research methodology is something that is taught in college. You would rather twist what a study says to further your stated agenda than read And understand what a study actually says.
What all you folks should be railing against is people who support theocracy as a political system not an individual religion. They are very different things.
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Damd.I.phone.lol. I of.course types in sects not.sexy.
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The bible is much like the Quran in that regard. It demands death for homosexuals and those that do not follow "God's law"
It is up to the adherent to what ever faith one belongs to how faithfully he adheres to their holy writings. Just as Christianity, and Judaism have their sects so do Muslims. The sexy you belong to in any of these religions directly affects their orthodoxy with regards to how closely they follow their holy book.
As far as your contention bargaIning is not calling all Muslims evil . I have quoted him below.
They hack non-believers to death in the street and their politicians pander to the extremists - who are only extreme by ourstandards, it's mainstream to them. Mainstream muslims in our countries are extreme, intolerant and a threat to society ... but we're meant to believe that these countries are somehow magically filled with kindly folk who want the best for everyone ... grow up and get a clue. Move there if you want to die, let the rest of us chose civilization
Islam doesn't want to assimilate and it doesn't really want to get along (except as a temporary tactic to further it's goals of domination). The mandate of Islam is to conquer and subjugate. It's baked into the pie, it's the lettering that runs through the stick of rock, whatever analogy you want to use. It wants to be dominant and in control and if you think it doesn't and want to actively fight those giving the warnings then you'll feel it's boot on your neck one day.
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Fitness Bandicoot in the post above mine who questioned the that statistics I presented Simon. Simon you also.equate all Muslims.as.Isis.members. You know.that that is patently false.
On September 11th 2001 I was at St Vincent's Hospital in Manhattan. I was working with a devout Nurse who happened to be Muslim. She was.incredible . She rendered aid to the injured with compassion and skill. Her Husband who is also a Muslim( a chaplain for the NYPD) came and also comforted the injured. The both of them where visibly upset and crying at what occurred. The wife in the following days often stated how terrible the attacks where. Her Husband rendered aid down at ground zero to the firemen and policemen working.down there.
Simon you will never convince me that all Muslims are evil. I have seen evidence to the contrary. I support the U.S. Constitution and it's first amendment protections. As I stated before I hate religious extremists of all kinds .
Perhaps.I am holding you to top high a standard Simon. You are not American and.maybe you don't get the affection we Americans have for our constitutional guarantees. You can espouse your ethnocentric beliefs.all you want. Your refusal to accept facts does.not make your argument correct.
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Basically you are comparing Apple's and oranges. The statistics you used where referring to international terrorism, the statistics I used referred to domestic terror. These are totally dog types of acts.
Also your claim that Muslim terrorists are the only ones that follow their religious leader is patently false. There are many religious leaders who encourage terrorism who profess Christianity or other religions.
I hate all religious extremists. Making excuses for one group while demonizing another is just burying one's head in the sand.