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My chat with 2 Dubs yesterday about UN membership

by jookbeard in

i live close to a resonanbly busy street, 20 odd shops banks, a train station,a couple of cafes and coffee shops etc and usually see dubs doing street work close to the station and i'm now on nodding terms with an elder who is out most days of the week and have got close to recognizing most of the hard core of about a dozen of them , i was walking out of the cafe yesterday to be greeted by a couple of newbies i'd never seen before , a scruffy short dumpy man and a fairly well presented middle aged lady, i'll try and abridge the conversation as best as i can, we must have chatted for about 15 minutes and it was all in a good mannered style;.

me " have you sold many of those this morning ?".

jw guy " oh no we dont sell them we give them away for free" (like i didn't know that).

recovering

I love a good debate lol. I however may tire of it, if he can not provide evidence to support his position.

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My chat with 2 Dubs yesterday about UN membership

by jookbeard in

i live close to a resonanbly busy street, 20 odd shops banks, a train station,a couple of cafes and coffee shops etc and usually see dubs doing street work close to the station and i'm now on nodding terms with an elder who is out most days of the week and have got close to recognizing most of the hard core of about a dozen of them , i was walking out of the cafe yesterday to be greeted by a couple of newbies i'd never seen before , a scruffy short dumpy man and a fairly well presented middle aged lady, i'll try and abridge the conversation as best as i can, we must have chatted for about 15 minutes and it was all in a good mannered style;.

me " have you sold many of those this morning ?".

jw guy " oh no we dont sell them we give them away for free" (like i didn't know that).

recovering

AndDontCallMeShirley I think you are right sir he will not listen to either logic nor proof.

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My chat with 2 Dubs yesterday about UN membership

by jookbeard in

i live close to a resonanbly busy street, 20 odd shops banks, a train station,a couple of cafes and coffee shops etc and usually see dubs doing street work close to the station and i'm now on nodding terms with an elder who is out most days of the week and have got close to recognizing most of the hard core of about a dozen of them , i was walking out of the cafe yesterday to be greeted by a couple of newbies i'd never seen before , a scruffy short dumpy man and a fairly well presented middle aged lady, i'll try and abridge the conversation as best as i can, we must have chatted for about 15 minutes and it was all in a good mannered style;.

me " have you sold many of those this morning ?".

jw guy " oh no we dont sell them we give them away for free" (like i didn't know that).

recovering

I wanted jlfm to see this official document from the UN which clealy states their participation in the UN and that they agreed to support and respect the principles of the UN.

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My chat with 2 Dubs yesterday about UN membership

by jookbeard in

i live close to a resonanbly busy street, 20 odd shops banks, a train station,a couple of cafes and coffee shops etc and usually see dubs doing street work close to the station and i'm now on nodding terms with an elder who is out most days of the week and have got close to recognizing most of the hard core of about a dozen of them , i was walking out of the cafe yesterday to be greeted by a couple of newbies i'd never seen before , a scruffy short dumpy man and a fairly well presented middle aged lady, i'll try and abridge the conversation as best as i can, we must have chatted for about 15 minutes and it was all in a good mannered style;.

me " have you sold many of those this morning ?".

jw guy " oh no we dont sell them we give them away for free" (like i didn't know that).

recovering

Jlfn I said you where being disingenous not because you needed to go to sleep, but for the comment you made regarding that it was ok to join the UN as an NGO in order to use the facilities. Does the WTBS alow its members to join organazations just in order to use the facilities? The answer is clearly no. Joining the YMCA is a perfect example of this.

1/1/1979 Watchtower
Questions From Readers
"In joining the YMCA as a member a person accepts or endorses the general objectives and principles of the organization. He is not simply paying for something he receives, such as when buying things being sold to the public at a store. (Compare 1 Corinthians 8:10; 10:25.) Nor is his membership merely an entry pass, as when a person buys a theater ticket. Membership means that one has become an integral part of this organization founded with definite religious objectives, including the promotion of interfaith. Hence, for one of Jehovah's Witnesses to become a member of such a so-called "Christian" association would amount to apostasy."

Please tell me how you can rationalize WTBS joining the UN and not being considered apostate yet if one chooses to buy a pool membership from the YMCA it is. I await your response.

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My chat with 2 Dubs yesterday about UN membership

by jookbeard in

i live close to a resonanbly busy street, 20 odd shops banks, a train station,a couple of cafes and coffee shops etc and usually see dubs doing street work close to the station and i'm now on nodding terms with an elder who is out most days of the week and have got close to recognizing most of the hard core of about a dozen of them , i was walking out of the cafe yesterday to be greeted by a couple of newbies i'd never seen before , a scruffy short dumpy man and a fairly well presented middle aged lady, i'll try and abridge the conversation as best as i can, we must have chatted for about 15 minutes and it was all in a good mannered style;.

me " have you sold many of those this morning ?".

jw guy " oh no we dont sell them we give them away for free" (like i didn't know that).

recovering

Wait you make the following claims, I provide proof that you can't argue with so then you cop out and say it's ok they signed on to get a library card? Sir that is disingenous. When you where backed into a corner you turned tail and ran. That is not sporting at all.

"Yet, no one has ever managed to provide one single article similar to this, telling Jehovah's Witnesses to have no dealings whatsoever with the UN. The reason being that no such article exists. Of course, once opposers realize that they cannot show proof of their claims they attempt to use other tactics.
Some claim that the Watchtower publications teach that the UN is 'the unclean thing' and that the scripture which says, "quit touching the unclean thing" at 2 Corinthians 6:17 has been applied to the UN by the publications. This is completely false. No publication has ever taught that the UN is "the unclean thing" as discussed at 2 Corinthians 6:17. -See the Miscellaneous Questions page" quoted from jutlookingfornow

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My chat with 2 Dubs yesterday about UN membership

by jookbeard in

i live close to a resonanbly busy street, 20 odd shops banks, a train station,a couple of cafes and coffee shops etc and usually see dubs doing street work close to the station and i'm now on nodding terms with an elder who is out most days of the week and have got close to recognizing most of the hard core of about a dozen of them , i was walking out of the cafe yesterday to be greeted by a couple of newbies i'd never seen before , a scruffy short dumpy man and a fairly well presented middle aged lady, i'll try and abridge the conversation as best as i can, we must have chatted for about 15 minutes and it was all in a good mannered style;.

me " have you sold many of those this morning ?".

jw guy " oh no we dont sell them we give them away for free" (like i didn't know that).

recovering

"Some claim that the Watchtower publications teach that the UN is 'the unclean thing' and that the scripture which says, "quit touching the unclean thing" at 2 Corinthians 6:17 has been applied to the UN by the publications. This is completely false. No publication has ever taught that the UN is "the unclean thing" as discussed at 2 Corinthians 6:17. -See the Miscellaneous Questions page"

How do you reconcile this known and very public declaration justlookingfornow ? You may want to also read the magazine quoted below.

In 1963 Jehovah's Witnesses adopted a Resolution establishing the official view of the United Nations. The Resolution was published in the November 15, 1963 issue of Watchtower. At 24 assemblies held throughout the year, a total of 454,977 convention attendees adopted the Resolution.

Regarding the United Nations, paragraph 5 of that resolution states, "the nations further refused the surrender of their sovereignty to God's Messianic kingdom by setting up ... the United Nations, ....This international organization stands for world sovereignty by political men. For years men without faith in God's kingdom have endeavored to get all people to worship this international image of human political sovereignty as the best hope for earthly peace and security, in fact, the last hope for humanity. To date 111 nations have given worship to this political image by becoming members of it. However, we, as witnesses of the Sovereign God Jehovah, will continue refusing to engage in such idolatrous worship..."

Here is another quote from a WTBS publication for you. I challange you to read it for yourself. For many years, the Watchtower Society has taught that the United Nations is "the present form of the 'image of the wild beast'" of Revelation. The Society's 1963 publication: "Babylon the Great Has Fallen!" God's Kingdom Rules! states on pages 593-594:

"The Seventh World Power is the main promoter and supporter of the United Nations, the present form of the 'image of the wild beast.' ...Destruction is what God's angel predicted for this scarlet-colored wild beast by saying: 'The wild beast that was but is not, it is also itself an eighth king, but springs form the seven, and it goes off into destruction.' (Revelation 17:11) The United Nations of today contains as members the Seventh World Power and the national remnants of all the previous world powers. So it owes its existence to those seven world powers; it springs from them. As this modern scarlet-colored beast is an image of the leopard-spotted wild beast from the sea, which is a summation of all seven world powers, the beastly 'image' is also in itself a world power or 'king,' hence 'an eighth king.' It has put its own military police force into the field of action. Now that it has ascended out of the abyss and been out since 1945, the Bible shows that what next it will do is to go off into destruction."

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If you believe in Gods laws why dont you go live in Saudi Arabia ?

by mP in

i think we all know that shariah law is basically mohammads copy of the torah, with minor edits.

slavery, womens inequality, anti homosexuality are obviously written in the same spirit.

so believers why dont you go live in saudi arabia if yo u believe gods law is perfect or at the last useful ?.

recovering

I refer back to my original statistics (you just proved my point) 1 gun to 4 canadians represents a rate of gun ownership of roughly one third what the rate of gun ownership in the US is.

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If you believe in Gods laws why dont you go live in Saudi Arabia ?

by mP in

i think we all know that shariah law is basically mohammads copy of the torah, with minor edits.

slavery, womens inequality, anti homosexuality are obviously written in the same spirit.

so believers why dont you go live in saudi arabia if yo u believe gods law is perfect or at the last useful ?.

recovering

This is what I said in my PM. When you use terms associated with a particular science ie statistics it leads the reader to believe that what you are writing can be backed up by using the reference science and it's methodology. Although you later said you could be wrong (I commend you for this) Your original statement contained no such disclaimer.

When ever you speak in per capita you are speaking in statistical terms. Per capita is a statistical ratio. I included the definition in order to enlighten you not to argue. You will weaken your position when you use facts not in evidence. I in fact agree with some of your hypothesis, however use facts that can be supported in order to prove your point. The statistics that i quoted where for all guns long guns and hand guns.

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If you believe in Gods laws why dont you go live in Saudi Arabia ?

by mP in

i think we all know that shariah law is basically mohammads copy of the torah, with minor edits.

slavery, womens inequality, anti homosexuality are obviously written in the same spirit.

so believers why dont you go live in saudi arabia if yo u believe gods law is perfect or at the last useful ?.

recovering

See my pm dcms

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If you believe in Gods laws why dont you go live in Saudi Arabia ?

by mP in

i think we all know that shariah law is basically mohammads copy of the torah, with minor edits.

slavery, womens inequality, anti homosexuality are obviously written in the same spirit.

so believers why dont you go live in saudi arabia if yo u believe gods law is perfect or at the last useful ?.

recovering

Just a point of information the following is a definition of per capita

Per capita is Latin for "Per head". Per capita is a Latin prepositional phrase: per (preposition, taking the accusative case, meaning "by, by means of") and capita (accusative plural of the noun caput, "head"). The phrase thus means "by heads" or "for each head", i.e. per individual/person. The term is used in a wide variety of social sciences and statistical research contexts, including government statistics, economic indicators, and built environment studies.

It is commonly and usually used in the field of statistics in place of saying "for each person" or "per person". [1]