Posts by Kosonen

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What goals do JWS have now?

by Fisherman in

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after being the org for years and years, one becomes accustomed to jw activties, weekly meetings, assbly, etc... it becomes a habit, a routine, and something that as a jw ,you just do.

but one time jws had "spiritual goals" full time sevice, positions in the org.

do jws still have such goals ?

Kosonen

It should be to become anointed. Seek first the kingdom. Unfortunately almost nobody understands that of the members.

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Are we living in the Last Days?

by Kosonen in

have you ever thought why apostle paul do not mention wars, pestilence, earthquackes, famine when he talks about the last days?

or why apostle peter only says, that in the last days ridiculers will come, asking were is his promised presence, and that from the beginning all remains exactly the same?

and why does peter not say: look at the wars, but says: all has not been the same, because a flood occured.

Have you ever thought why apostle Paul do not mention wars, pestilence, earthquackes, famine when he talks about the last days? Or why apostle Peter only says, that in the last days ridiculers will come, asking were is his promised presence, and that from the beginning all remains exactly the same? And why does Peter not say: Look at the wars, but says: All has not been the same, because a flood occured. (2Timothy 3:1-5, 2Peter 3:3,4,6)
Have you ever thought why Jesus talked about the sign of the conclusion and his presence, but not of the last days? (Matthew 24:3)

Therefore I believe the last days do not refer to the same time as the conclusion of the system of things and his presence. First will be the last days. Then in the end of the last days comes the conclusion of the system of things and in that time he will be present.

This conclusion will first have a period of 1260 days, and then a small unknown number of days. We can not know the exact number of days, otherwise we could get to know in beforhand the day of battle at Armageddon. Satan will be hurled down in the beginning of 1260 days. (Revelation chap 12, Daniel chap. 12. )
He will be in great anger because he knows he will have a short period of time. Some think this all happened 1914. But it has gone a long time. I do not know if we can call our days the last days, I do not hear people asking "where is His precence?", but we have been waiting for the new world since childhood, and it feels like a delay. That's exactly what Revelation 10:6 confirms about our time: A feeling of delay.

What do you think?

Prophecy: Peace and Security

by Kosonen in

we have surely heard that the old world can only get worse.

but let's pray for peace and security.

would jehovah god make the "old" world better by such prayers?

Kosonen

We have surely heard that the old world can only get worse. But let's pray for peace and security. Would Jehovah God make the "old" world better by such prayers? In His word in 1Timothy 2:1,2 apostel Paul urges all christians to pray inbehalf of kings and every person in high position so that we could live a calm life with full Godly devotion. In fact they are God's public servants (Romans13:6) What about Satan, when the Bible says that the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one? (1John 5:19) There is no contradiction. God has the highest authority anyway. And when we pray in behalf of the authorities God will make them take good decisions, and prevent Satan to influence on them to much. I prayed before the elections in Sweden last time, that God would give Sweden good ministers and we got a new government and they have maid nice reforms and are planing for more. So, I believe that christians will by their prayers, make the world better, even to the point that the inspired prophecy in 1Thessalonians 5:3 about "Peace and Security" finaly gets its fullfillment. Zechariah 11:10 also indicates that there will be a time of peace, it mentions a covenant that God have with all the peoples, before the great tribulation.

You can find more controversial ideas on my page www.freewebs.com/scripturalanswers

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Faithful and Discreet Slave

by whitman in

i am still catching up on witness related issues that have occured since i left the church.

i am wondering if there is an available log or register that provides the details of the faithful and discreet slave.

i am curious as to how many there are currently.

Kosonen

I heard at our meeting, when our circuit oversee visited our congregation us in Skärholmen, Sweden that last year there was in Sweden 31, but this year 37. He said, unfortunately the number of them increased, but the number of other witnesses decreased in the memorial attendance. I do not now if there has been a similar increase in other countries. But still our leaders are ridiculing and oppresing new members of the so called faithful and disceet slave-class. Jehovah God himself anoints new members with holy spirit to be faithful and discreet slaves and to give spiritual food. But often there arises a hard rivalry between them and Jehovah God gets disappointed with them and must search fore new candidates for his Kingdom. I'm happy that you are interested in spititual matters, please see my site and you will find more spiritual food. www.freewebs.com/scripturalanswers

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Aug 15-08 Study WT - More evil apostates!

by still_in74 in

well i just got the aug 15 study edition.

i flipped through it for about 10 seconds and found the word apostate.

big surprise.

Kosonen

While we uncover their errors, I believe Malachi 2:8,9 gets a fullfillment:

"But YOU men—YOU have turned aside from the way. YOU have caused many to stumble in the law. YOU have ruined the covenant of Le´vi," Jehovah of armies has said. "And I also, for my part, shall certainly make YOU to be despised and low to all the people, according as YOU were not keeping my ways...

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JW's clearly going 'beyond the things written' - examples

by jambon1 in

the one that got me recently is the matter of elders being removed if they encourage college education in the cong.

where in the scriptures?

any others that spring to mind?

Kosonen

Forbidding polygamy, according to the bible only elders and ministerial servants should have one wife. For the others it is optional.

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Is the resurrection heavenly or earthly?

by jwfacts in

i was looking for scriptures that discuss the heavenly resurrection, and did a google search on "heavenly resurrection".

to my surprise almost all links were discussing the beliefs of jehovah's witnesses.

apparently christians simply discuss the resurrection, specify it as a "heavenly resurrection" is very much watchtower terminology.

Kosonen

1Corinthians 15:50-52 tells even about that opportunity, that some will be transformed.

"in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye" those will be transformed from being humans, to be angels.

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Is the resurrection heavenly or earthly?

by jwfacts in

i was looking for scriptures that discuss the heavenly resurrection, and did a google search on "heavenly resurrection".

to my surprise almost all links were discussing the beliefs of jehovah's witnesses.

apparently christians simply discuss the resurrection, specify it as a "heavenly resurrection" is very much watchtower terminology.

Kosonen

There will be a resurection both to earth and to heaven. In John 5:28 Jesus speaks about an earthy resurrection. JW say the heavenly resurection already started 1919 or little later. But that does not harmonize with Revelation 14:8,13, wich says that, first falls Babylon, and after that the ressurection begins. JW explain this by saying that Babylon did fall already once, and will fall once again. But in this chapter it is only once said that Babylon falls, and that chapter ends will God's final jugement to this world.

You can find more interesting "new truths" affirmed by the Bible, still rejected by GB on my site www.freewebs.com/scripturalanswers

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Polygamy only not for elders and ministerial servants

by Kosonen in

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do the bible allow to have several wives?.

in 1 corinthians 7:39 it is written that a unmarried woman can get married, to whom she wants in the lord.

so, if a christian have already one wife, he can take one other if a christian sister wants to get married to him.. how could sisters otherwise, who are often in majority in the congregations follow pauls recommendation in 1corinthians 7:1 to get married.

Kosonen

Do the Bible allow to have several wives?

In 1 Corinthians 7:39 it is written that a unmarried woman can get married, to whom she wants in the Lord. So, if a christian have already one wife, he can take one other if a christian sister wants to get married to him.

How could sisters otherwise, who are often in majority in the congregations follow Pauls recommendation in 1Corinthians 7:1 to get married. Paul recommends marriage as a way to avoid fornication.

What difference is there between a husband and a wife, concerning divorce?

Paul makes a difference between wife and husband, concerning divorce. The wife could actually depart, but for the the husband it is different, he should not.(1Corinthians7:10,11)

What did Jesus say about this? In Matthew 19:9 he says a man should not divorce his wife and remarry. Only in the case when she has commited fornication, he could leave her and remarry.

But what if he do not divorce his wife, but just takes un other more?

Or what if somebody already have 2 wives, when he bacomes a christian? Have we any direct command in God's word? The only thing I have found is in Corinthians 7:20,24. That he should stay in the same condition, in wich he was when he became christian.

Also we have something more in 1 Timothy 3:2,12 and Titus 1:6. These 3 verses say, that only the elders and the ministerial servants are recuired, to have only one wife.

So, if a sister would like to get married in the Lord, she could do that to whom she wants, only in the Lord, even if the brother have already a wife. But of coures he can not serve then as an elder or ministerial servant. But better may be for here to stay unmarried as Paul recommended. Now we also understand better, why all 144000 are thogether called as Christ bride.

See my page www.freewebs.com/scripturalanswers

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meetings once a week

by Kosonen in

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friends

meetings once a week is sufficient according to the bible.

in ezekiels tempel vision we get direction to how often meetings should be hold.

ezekiel 46:1,3:this is what the sovereign lord jehovah has said, as regards the gate of the inner courtyard that is facing east, it should continue shut for the six workdays, and on the sabbath day it should be opened, and on the day of the new moon it should be opened.3and the people of the land must bow down at the entrance of that gate on the sabbaths and on the new moons, before jehovah.. a similar thougth you find in isaiah 66:23. an extra meeting once a month could be nice too.. .

Kosonen

Meetings once a week is sufficient according to the bible. In Ezekiels tempel vision we get direction to how often meetings should be hold. Ezekiel 46:1,3:“This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said, ‘As regards the gate of the inner courtyard that is facing east, it should continue shut for the six workdays, and on the sabbath day it should be opened, and on the day of the new moon it should be opened. 3 And the people of the land must bow down at the entrance of that gate on the sabbaths and on the new moons, before Jehovah.

A similar thougth you find in Isaiah 66:23

An extra meeting once a month could be nice too.