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When do the 2300 days begin?

by Kosonen in

when to begin the countdown of the 2300 days?

to get an idea, it could be helpful to discern when those days end relative to time times and half a time.. i see a possibility that the 2300 days end the same day as the 1260 days.

that is because the woman in revelation 12 will be fed 1260 days.

johnamos27 minutes ago

Are you aware that the alignment that occurred in Sept 2017 also occurred in 1827, 1483, 1293, and 1056...

Why didn't the 2,300 days start at any of those times?

No, not all the features in Revelation 12:1,2

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When do the 2300 days begin?

by Kosonen in

when to begin the countdown of the 2300 days?

to get an idea, it could be helpful to discern when those days end relative to time times and half a time.. i see a possibility that the 2300 days end the same day as the 1260 days.

that is because the woman in revelation 12 will be fed 1260 days.

Kosonen

When to begin the countdown of the 2300 days? To get an idea, it could be helpful to discern when those days end relative to time times and half a time.

I see a possibility that the 2300 days end the same day as the 1260 days. That is because the woman in Revelation 12 will be fed 1260 days. Why not more? Probably because what she represents, does not need more feeding in that particular sense. She will be fed and brought to a complete spiritual condition. This woman represents God's congregation on earth. That is another topic to examine, but let's find out the possible dates.

Let's compare the scriptures related to this:

Revelation 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God and where they would feed her for 1,260 days.

Daniel 8:14 So he said to me: “Until 2,300 evenings and mornings; and the holy place will certainly be restored to its right condition.”

So this leaves the question, what event marks the beginning of the 2300 days? There should be a remarkable day when the 2300 days begin. Otherwise what is the point of telling about 2300 days if they end simultaneously with the 1260 days?

Just for clarification, the 1260 days should reasonably begin the same day as the 1290 days and time, times and half a time, because the scriptures in Daniel chapter 12 and 11 and 8 and 7 are all interconnected. Those scriptures speak about a specific period of persecution of the saints or the holy ones. And according Revelation 12 the woman flees to a wilderness to escape that persecution, but instead the remaining ones of her seed will be persecuted. (Revelation 12:17) Where the wilderness is, is in itself another topic. But let's first concentrate to understand the 1260 etc. days.

Daniel 12:11 “And from the time that the constant feature has been removed and the disgusting thing that causes desolation has been put in place, there will be 1,290 days.

Daniel 11:31 And arms will stand up, proceeding from him; and they will profane the sanctuary, the fortress, and remove the constant feature. “And they will put in place the disgusting thing that causes desolation.

Daniel 8:11 It exalted itself even against the Prince of the army, and from him the constant feature was taken away, and the established place of his sanctuary was thrown down. 12 And an army was given over, together with the constant feature, because of transgression; and it kept throwing truth to the earth, and it acted and had success. 13 And I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to the one speaking: “How long will the vision of the constant feature and of the transgression causing desolation continue, to make both the holy place and the army things to trample on?”

Daniel 12:: “How long will it be to the end of these marvelous things?” 7 Then I heard the man clothed in linen, who was up above the waters of the stream, as he raised his right hand and his left hand to the heavens and swore by the One who is alive forever: “It will be for an appointed time, appointed times, and half a time. As soon as the dashing to pieces of the power of the holy people comes to an end, all these things will come to their finish.”

Daniel 7:25 He will speak words against the Most High, and he will continually harass the holy ones of the Supreme One. He will intend to change times and law, and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time. 26 But the Court sat, and they took away his rulership, in order to annihilate him and to destroy him completely.

So where does the 2300 days fit in here? Maybe Revelation 12:1,2 has the answer? Those verses describe a vision on the sky apostle John witnessed. Here is what he recorded:

"Then a great sign was seen in heaven: A woman was arrayed with the sun, and the moon was beneath her feet, and on her head was a crown of 12 stars, 2 and she was pregnant. And she was crying out in her pains and in her agony to give birth."

There is a correlation with this sign in the heaven with how the constellation of Virgo was in relation to the other elements described in Revelation 12:1,2 on a specific date, namely September 23, 2017.

So, in theory there is a possibility that the 2300 days in Daniel 8:14 begun September 23, 2017.

Daniel 8:14 "So he said to me: “Until 2,300 evenings and mornings; and the holy place will certainly be restored to its right condition.”

That would take us to January 10, 2024. That would then be the end of 1260 days or time, times and half a time. That would be the date the holy place is finally restored to its right condition by the feeding of adequate spiritual food to her among other blessings from God.

That would be the day the feeding of the symbolic woman ends. And the woman should represent God's people, the congregation of God. Because the faithful and discreet slave will feed it according to Matthew 24:45:

“Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? 46 Happy is that slave if his master on coming finds him doing so!"

Revelation 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God and where they would feed her for 1,260 days.

Luke 12:42 And the Lord said: “Who really is the faithful steward, the discreet one, whom his master will appoint over his body of attendants to keep giving them their measure of food supplies at the proper time?

So if the beginning of 2300 days was September 23, 2017. The end is then January 10, 2024. And as it looks like, 1260 days should end at the same date. Then the beginning of the 1260 days should be July 29, 2020.

On this site you can easily calculate dates:

https://www.countcalculate.com/calendar/date-in-x-days

That is quite interesting. That's quite soon, July 29, 2020.

Think if it is the date the symbolic woman representing the congregation of God on earth will flee to a specific place into a wilderness?

I would like to be there.

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The Myth About Jehovah as a "GOD of LOVE".

by smiddy3 in

i`ll list a few things and welcome any input, comments you may have .. 1.when adam & eve "sinned" disobeyed him, surely god could have handled it better than to condemn all future generations to disease and death ?.

2.his handling of satan who supposedly seduced eve to disobey god could also have been done a lot differently with a finality to it.. 3.i find little if anything in his dealings with the patriarchs that suggests a loving god protecting them.?.

4.taking on the nation of israel and leading them as his chosen people does not inspire confidence or trust as a god of love.. 5.throughout the hebrew scriptures / old testament his chosen people were constantly at war with other nations which of course would have meant many deaths of the israelite`s during these battles .and the grief that comes with family members in those times.

Kosonen

Finkelstein, Jehovah God will send Jesus and the angels for that job. That will remove all badness from the earth. At last all suffering will end. And those who are left will at last get a good life.

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The Myth About Jehovah as a "GOD of LOVE".

by smiddy3 in

i`ll list a few things and welcome any input, comments you may have .. 1.when adam & eve "sinned" disobeyed him, surely god could have handled it better than to condemn all future generations to disease and death ?.

2.his handling of satan who supposedly seduced eve to disobey god could also have been done a lot differently with a finality to it.. 3.i find little if anything in his dealings with the patriarchs that suggests a loving god protecting them.?.

4.taking on the nation of israel and leading them as his chosen people does not inspire confidence or trust as a god of love.. 5.throughout the hebrew scriptures / old testament his chosen people were constantly at war with other nations which of course would have meant many deaths of the israelite`s during these battles .and the grief that comes with family members in those times.

Kosonen

days of future passed, please don't give up on God. There is a bright future ahead for those who believe Him.

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The Myth About Jehovah as a "GOD of LOVE".

by smiddy3 in

i`ll list a few things and welcome any input, comments you may have .. 1.when adam & eve "sinned" disobeyed him, surely god could have handled it better than to condemn all future generations to disease and death ?.

2.his handling of satan who supposedly seduced eve to disobey god could also have been done a lot differently with a finality to it.. 3.i find little if anything in his dealings with the patriarchs that suggests a loving god protecting them.?.

4.taking on the nation of israel and leading them as his chosen people does not inspire confidence or trust as a god of love.. 5.throughout the hebrew scriptures / old testament his chosen people were constantly at war with other nations which of course would have meant many deaths of the israelite`s during these battles .and the grief that comes with family members in those times.

Kosonen

There was no other good way of doing it. God created Adam and Eve with emotions and an intellect. But Adam and Eve decided to take the wrong way. They gave after to their desires. Instead they could have used their intellect to think if that was right or wise at least. It could have gone the other way. It was completely up to them. God did not fail in creating them such.

Some people just want to please God and others don't. Twins also develop different personalities. Why I don't know. It is just like that.

God said let us create man in our image. So Adam was as free as God to think and decide and he was created with emotions just as God has emotions. It was a great priviledge to be created according to God image, but it came with a risk being able to chose what to do. Either good or bad things.

But let's concentrate on the positive. We are living in the last days and soon every thing will be good. If we have difficulties to endure until it gets better, let's pray God's help to endure, even to be able to endure with joy!

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The Myth About Jehovah as a "GOD of LOVE".

by smiddy3 in

i`ll list a few things and welcome any input, comments you may have .. 1.when adam & eve "sinned" disobeyed him, surely god could have handled it better than to condemn all future generations to disease and death ?.

2.his handling of satan who supposedly seduced eve to disobey god could also have been done a lot differently with a finality to it.. 3.i find little if anything in his dealings with the patriarchs that suggests a loving god protecting them.?.

4.taking on the nation of israel and leading them as his chosen people does not inspire confidence or trust as a god of love.. 5.throughout the hebrew scriptures / old testament his chosen people were constantly at war with other nations which of course would have meant many deaths of the israelite`s during these battles .and the grief that comes with family members in those times.

Kosonen

It is like setting up a new enterprise. In the beginning things usually don't go as planned. But you work it out. You hire people but some make you disappointed. But you sort it out, but not in one day. And the final result is a joy for all who endured.

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The Myth About Jehovah as a "GOD of LOVE".

by smiddy3 in

i`ll list a few things and welcome any input, comments you may have .. 1.when adam & eve "sinned" disobeyed him, surely god could have handled it better than to condemn all future generations to disease and death ?.

2.his handling of satan who supposedly seduced eve to disobey god could also have been done a lot differently with a finality to it.. 3.i find little if anything in his dealings with the patriarchs that suggests a loving god protecting them.?.

4.taking on the nation of israel and leading them as his chosen people does not inspire confidence or trust as a god of love.. 5.throughout the hebrew scriptures / old testament his chosen people were constantly at war with other nations which of course would have meant many deaths of the israelite`s during these battles .and the grief that comes with family members in those times.

Kosonen

No problem at all. If you read the New Testament from cover to cover you will see that they are in agreement.

And if God is Love? Yes, absolutely. There was no other good way to fix the mankind than let all that has happened unfold. Just think about what happened in the preflood world when people could live 900 years. Instead of becoming nicer they got worse. Only 8 persons believed God. But look now when people's life span is about 70 or 80 years, so many more believe God.

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New scrolls

by The Searcher in

in 1985 a new phrase was added to our vocabulary, "new scrolls", complete with an explanation as to how they will benefit those who inhabit the new world.

the following five references are the only quotations of this new 'teaching', but incredibly, these two words have been indelibly stamped on most people's minds by repetition from platform speakers, and in general conversation.. w85 6/15 p. 18 par.

21 "during this thousand-year judgment period, jehovah evidently will give additional instructions, unknown to us at present, as new "scrolls" are opened.

Kosonen

The Searcher,

I am with you. First Revelation 20:5 says: The rest of the dead did not come to life until the 1,000 years were ended.

And then as you pointed out the order of events is verse 10: Satan is hurled into the lake of fire. And then verses 11-15 tell what happens next: The dead are judged individually and each of them is said to stand before the throne and each then receives a judgement according to their previous deeds.

This is very logic.

During the 1000 years occurs no resurrection. Instead the population increases by childbearing. Jesus also told that the resurrected will not marry. So it would be strange if some can marry and some can not.

Also at the end of the 1000 years Satan will be able to get a lot of followers. And they will after that be wiped out. So who would fill that space that will be left after them? Will people again reproduce, and how would these new people be tested?

No, instead the Bible says that after those rebels are wiped out, after the end of the 1000 years, the resureection of the worthy of life will happen. So those will fill the void that will be left by the rebels who followed Satan.

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Due to Covid-19 a coming Global Government, the Beast of Revelation 13

by Kosonen in

just recently there have been calls from heavyweight statesmen to set up a new global authority to tackle the covid-19 pandemic and the economic crisis it creates.they are henry kissinger, former uk primeministers gordon brown and tony blair.former prime minister of uk, tony blair is fervently advising governments around the world how to get the corona virus under control and how to restart the economy after the lockdown.

he is running tony blair institute for global changeon its webpage we can learn about his work with this:https://institute.global/tony-blair/mes ... t-covid-19"create one crisis-management centre.

governments should have already repositioned themselves towards crisis management.

Kosonen

JoenB75, thanks for your reply. I understand that someone could get that impression. But Jesus used double speaking. He spoke simultaneously about the end of the Jewish system and the end of the whole system of things.

Because somethings in Jesus' prophecy about the end did not get their fulfilment in year 70 CE.

One of the things was that first the good news about Jesus had to be preached in all the nations. Not until now has the knowledge about Jesus reached everywhere thanks to the internet.

And after the conclusion of the system of things Jesus would rule the world, and all the wickedness would be eliminated. That did not happen in the first century. So we are still waiting that.

But Revelation chapters 8 to 13 contain prophecies that have occured since 2010. And all the talks about the implantable RFID. Many expect that to become the mark of the beast, that will be used to buy or sell. And without it it will be impossible to buy or sell. Such developments seem to be about the prophecied mark of the beast.

So, many people see that Revelation has prophecies that are about our time.

Don't you agree?

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Due to Covid-19 a coming Global Government, the Beast of Revelation 13

by Kosonen in

just recently there have been calls from heavyweight statesmen to set up a new global authority to tackle the covid-19 pandemic and the economic crisis it creates.they are henry kissinger, former uk primeministers gordon brown and tony blair.former prime minister of uk, tony blair is fervently advising governments around the world how to get the corona virus under control and how to restart the economy after the lockdown.

he is running tony blair institute for global changeon its webpage we can learn about his work with this:https://institute.global/tony-blair/mes ... t-covid-19"create one crisis-management centre.

governments should have already repositioned themselves towards crisis management.

Kosonen

JoenB75, why can it not be about our time?