Posts by brofromzion

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Veil

by brofromzion in

matt.

' the man was speechless.

then the king told the attendants, 'tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'..."?

parakeet said "Yes! There it is! The last resort of desperate nut jobs who are losing the argument -- LARGE TYPE.

YEAH, THAT WILL CONVINCE EVERYONE THAT YOU'RE RIGHT AND THE REST OF THE WORLD IS WRONG. Loser."

parakeet, the LARGE TYPING OF LETTERS is to make it clear as crystal. As far as agreeing, that's up to the person and I don't force anyone to agree with me. Now by you calling me a loser that has nothing to do with what is the topic shows your ignorance and insecurity parakeet. If you have something to comment on the topic we are talking here, feel free. All I'm doing is trying to find the truth of God's will and only through God's words, the Bible, we can learn His will.

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Veil

by brofromzion in

matt.

' the man was speechless.

then the king told the attendants, 'tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'..."?

brofromzion

Hi everyone I hope all of you had a good weekend. Anyway I just wanna make a response to wobble's comment. I posted it below:

"brofromzion needs to read 1 Cor 11 not in isolation but in conjunction with the whole of scripture, for example Gal 3v28"There is neither Jew nor Greek,slave nor free,MALE nor FEMALE,for you are all one in Christ Jesus"

Is it logical to beleive that a man should not be veilled ,or wear a Tallith ,but a woman should?

Surely Paul is writing this so that NO christian worshipper wears a covering ,especially one connected with Judaism,and so verse 15 says"For long hair is given to her as a covering" not a veil."

Thank you wobble. Here let me post what I read on 1 Cor 11

1 Corinthians 11:1-16 [FOLLOW MY EXAMPLE, AS I FOLLOW THE EXAMPLE OF CHRIST. I PRAISE YOU FOR REMEMBERING ME IN EVERYTHING AND FOR HOLDING TO THE TEACHINGS, JUST AS I PASSED THEM ON TO YOU. Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. EVERY MAN WHO PRAYS OR PROPHESIES WITH HIS HEAD COVERED DISHONORS HIS HEAD. AND EVERY WOMAN WHO PRAYS OR PROPHESIES WITH HER HEAD UNCOVERED DISHONORS HER HEAD—it is just as though her head were shaved. IF A WOMAN DOES NOT COVER HER HEAD, SHE SHOULD HAVE HER HAIR CUT OFF; AND IF IT IS A DISGRACE FOR A WOMAN TO HAVE HER HAIR CUT OR SHAVED OFF, SHE SHOULD COVER HER HEAD. A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head. In the Lord, however, woman is not independent of man, nor is man independent of woman. For as woman came from man, so also man is born of woman. But everything comes from God. Judge for yourselves: Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering. If anyone wants to be contentious about this, we have no other practice—nor do the churches of God.]

wobble, clearly it states that only women should have a cover on her head when she prays or worship God. Men are not to have a cover on their head. Now wobble, you interpret verse 15 as "long hair is the covering for women", then how can you explain if men has a long hair or even have a hair? If hair is the cover that Apostle Paul is talking about, then that case all men must shaved their head just as Paul explains in verse 6 that states "If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head." The Word of God doesn't contradicts itself. Clearly, Apostle Paul is talking about women should have a cover on their head when they pray or worship God with a presentable cover like veil.

1 Corinthians 9:19-23 [ 19 Though I am free and belong to no man, I make myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. 20 To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God's law but am under Christ's law), so as to win those not having the law. 22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some. 23 I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.]

wobble, Galatians 3:28 states that we are all one in Jesus Christ. That's true because Israelites and Gentiles are now one in Jesus Christ. Then if that's the case, everyone should follow the "law of Christ" because we are all under it now. I hope this is clear to you wobble. Also, to those who think my comment is "sexist" then you guys have a problem with what the Bible testifies. I'm just someone trying to be a good servant of God. God bless you all.

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God's Sabbath Day - Saturday or Sunday?

by brofromzion in

god bless you.

so you worship god on sunday?

didn't god commanded us to keep the sabbath day?

brofromzion

Keeping the sabbath is the worship of the planet Saturn - but keeping this day you are in fact still worshiping this pagan god. He was worshiped on Saturns' day which today is called Saturday.

The planetary body Saturn, in the Hebrew language called Shabbatai comes from the three-letter Hebrew word Shabbat. Shabbat, of course, refers to the seventh day of the week in Jewish reckoning, Shabbatai was the seventh planetary body known to the ancient Jews. Seven is a special number of rest and is addressed in Jewish numerology (Taken from http://jordanmaxwell.com/articles/religion/religion10.html)

Hi LouBelle thanks for the response. That's an interesting post however we have to keep the Sabbath Day "according to the Bible" and "not to worship the Saturn." It is a commandment from God according to the Bible. It can easily be distinguish the difference between "keeping God's commandments" or "worshipping the Saturn".

If Jesus and the Apostles kept the Sabbath Day, then we have to follow their examples to show we love God. If we still wanna insist our own flaws on how to show our love to God, then in God's eyes we don't really love Him. Only by keeping His commandments show we love God according to His words.

John 14:21 [Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.]

John 5:41-42 [I do not accept praise from men, but I know you. I know that you do not have the love(commandments) of God in your hearts.]

God bless you LouBelle.

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God's Sabbath Day - Saturday or Sunday?

by brofromzion in

god bless you.

so you worship god on sunday?

didn't god commanded us to keep the sabbath day?

brofromzion

Yes Mary I belong to World Mission Society Church of God.

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God's Sabbath Day - Saturday or Sunday?

by brofromzion in

god bless you.

so you worship god on sunday?

didn't god commanded us to keep the sabbath day?

brofromzion

BurnTheShips, thanks for a good response. By the way, I'm not a Seventh Day Adventist just to make it clear to everyone. I follow God according to His words, the Bible. Many people have used the verse Colossians 2:16 to prove that they do not have to observe any Feasts of God (Sabbath, Passover, Unleavened Bread, etc.). Let’s take a look at this verse to get an idea of why people would think that.

Colossians 2:16- “Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.”
Now it is very easy to take this verse and say that we don’t have to keep any of God’s feasts if you don’t understand the context of this verse and also the second sentence of this verse.

At this time, Apostle Paul was speaking to Christians in Colosse. Colosse is located in present day Turkey and at the time, the Christians there were being persecuted because the popular beliefs at this time were influencing Christ’s teachings. Eastern mysticism and asceticism (belief that abstinence from certain physical activities such as eating or drinking will allow some sort of mind-body transformation) were the main philosophies that were intruding on Christ’s teachings.

Apostle Paul was not telling the Church of God in Colosse to stop keeping God’s feasts, he was telling the church not to let other people judge them because they keep God’s feasts.
Let’s confirm through the Bible. We have to see if Paul was really instructing the people not to keep God’s feasts.

Acts 17:2- “As his custom was, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures,”

Paul’s custom was to keep the Sabbath, he was in Thessalonica at this time for only three weeks so he was at this synagogue for only three weeks. Let’s see another verse for confirmation.
Acts 18:4- “Every Sabbath he reasoned in the synagogue, trying to persuade Jews and Greeks.”
Clearly keeping the Sabbath was a custom of Apostle Paul. However, was it just Apostle Paul’s custom?

Luke 4:16- “He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read. The scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him.”

Jesus Christ’s very own custom was to keep the Sabbath. Christ came to show us the example of how to worship God (John 13:15). Then we should in fact keep the Sabbath day because it God’s true day of worship.

Jesus kept the Sabbath 2,000 years ago, our Heavenly Father Christ Ahnsahnghong also kept the Sabbath, and now our Heavenly Mother continues to keep the Sabbath as an example for us.

Colossians 2:16 says that these feasts are a shadow of the things to come and that the reality is found in Christ. Jesus Christ kept the Sabbath and our Heavenly Father Christ Ahnsahnghong also kept the Sabbath. Then we must follow Christ who is the reality.

One of the most important commandments in the bible is the Sabbath Day. The Sabbath day is the 7th day according to the bible.

Genesis 2:1-By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

God only blessed the 7th day and not any other day. This is the day God promised to bless us, make us holy and give us spiritual rest. We cannot try to make ourselves holy with our own power. Only God can bless us and make us holy. Then what day should we go to God to receive all these promises? It says very clear- 7th day. It is a command of God!!

Exodus 20:8-8 "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

God said to remember the Sabbath day which is the 7th day of the week. Then what is the seventh day? If you look in the calendar and dictionary, the first day is Sunday and the seventh day is Saturday. Even through the Bible we can see that Saturday has always been the seventh day.

Mark 16:9-9When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had driven seven demons.

Jesus resurrected on the 1st day of the week. Then, when do all Christians celebrate the resurrection of Christ? It is on Sunday isn’t it? It is because Jesus resurrected on Sunday, the first day of the week. Very clearly we can see that Sunday is not the seventh day.

We should not worship on Sunday when God does not promise any blessings. If we do, we will be worshipping in vain!

Mark 7:6 He replied, "Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: " 'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men. You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men." And he said to them: "You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!

Sunday worship was not established by God. It was established by a man whose name is Constantine. If you look into the history of Christianity, you will see that Constantine appointed Sunday so that his god, the sun god, would be worshipped. Sunday worship (day of sun) was appointed by a man and not by God Almighty. God bless you all.

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Veil

by brofromzion in

matt.

' the man was speechless.

then the king told the attendants, 'tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'..."?

brofromzion

wobble said "Surely Paul is writing this so that NO christian worshipper wears a covering ,especially one connected with Judaism,and so verse 15 says"For long hair is given to her as a covering" not a veil."

wobble, if you know better than the Bible, go ahead and delete that part that says clearly that woman must have her head covered when she prays or worship God. I didn't make this up. This is what the Bible testifies. God bless you wobble.

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Veil

by brofromzion in

matt.

' the man was speechless.

then the king told the attendants, 'tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'..."?

brofromzion

God bless you everyone. Thanks for you responses but I prefer to keep the "law of Christ" than you guys making your own opinion of how to worship God. A woman must have a veil when she prays and worship God. It shows that she is obedience in God's words, not the opinion of men on how to please God. Those who keep God's words are the ones who love Him.

Matthew 12:46-50 [While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. Someone told him, "Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you." He replied to him, "Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?" Pointing to his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother."]

Clearly, those who do the will of God are Jesus brothers and sisters. So if we follow God's commandments, we are doing the will of God and we are showing that we love Him according to the Bible. So many people I have met tell me the only thing they have to do to receive salvation is to Love God and Confess his name. But…. do you know what kind of Love God expects from you? Have you checked through the Bible what is the definition of Love in the eyes of God. It is written:

1 John 3:18-Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but with actions and in truth.

Then what kind of action does God want from us?

1 John 2:3-We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.

1 John 5: 2- This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands. This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome

2 john 1:6- And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands.

John 14:15- If you love me, you will obey what I command.

Deutoronomy 5:10-… but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.

Deutoronomy 11:1- Love the LORD your God and keep his requirements, his decrees, his laws and his commands always.

John 14:21-21- Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.”

John 15:10- If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father’s commands and remain in his love.

Why does God continue to say to obey his commands?!! He says Love= Obey commands. If we say we Love God, yet we dont obey his commands God says we are liars in His eyes!!!

Very simple….
If we Love God= Obey His commands.
If we dont Love God= Dont obey commands.

Then check yourselves… are you keeping the Biblical Sabbath Holy as God commanded? are you keeping the Passover as God commanded? are you keeping the feast of God as He commanded? if your a woman do you wear your veil when you worship or talk to God? are you truly walking in obedience to His commands?! Please give careful thought to your actions. Dont just say I love you God, but show Him you love Him through your actions. Your God says to please obey his commands so that you can receive salvation. If we obey, we will be greatly blessed! God bless you all.

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Veil

by brofromzion in

matt.

' the man was speechless.

then the king told the attendants, 'tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'..."?

brofromzion

God bless you Eyes Open. You know your comment sounds like someone who's ignorant of the Bible and insist his own opinion. That's just sad. Here let me enlighten you a little bit in case you didn't understand my post above.

1 Corinthians 11:1-16 [FOLLOW MY EXAMPLE, AS I FOLLOW THE EXAMPLE OF CHRIST. I PRAISE YOU FOR REMEMBERING ME IN EVERYTHING AND FOR HOLDING TO THE TEACHINGS, JUST AS I PASSED THEM ON TO YOU. Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. EVERY MAN WHO PRAYS OR PROPHESIES WITH HIS HEAD COVERED DISHONORS HIS HEAD. AND EVERY WOMAN WHO PRAYS OR PROPHESIES WITH HER HEAD UNCOVERED DISHONORS HER HEAD—it is just as though her head were shaved. IF A WOMAN DOES NOT COVER HER HEAD, SHE SHOULD HAVE HER HAIR CUT OFF; AND IF IT IS A DISGRACE FOR A WOMAN TO HAVE HER HAIR CUT OR SHAVED OFF, SHE SHOULD COVER HER HEAD. A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head. In the Lord, however, woman is not independent of man, nor is man independent of woman. For as woman came from man, so also man is born of woman. But everything comes from God. Judge for yourselves: Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering. If anyone wants to be contentious about this, we have no other practice—nor do the churches of God.

It's clear as crystal Eyes Open. The Bible testifies that a man is not to have a cover on his head when he prays and worship God. But for the women, she should have her head covered or cut her hair off when she prays or worship God. That's why Jesus Christ didn't have His head covered when He prayed. God bless you Eyes Open.

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Jesus Saves

by Farkel in

prove it.. farkel.

brofromzion

God bless you Farkel. So I assume you don't believe the Bible is the Word of God. Let me show you what the Bible testifies.

John 5:39-40 [You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life.]

Farkel, the Bible the Word of God testifies that Jesus saves. It is actually His words.

Luke 19-10 [For the Son of Man came to seek and to save what was lost.]

Clear enough Farkel? What part of God's words do you not understand? The problem is you wanna insist the opinion of men instead of looking at what the Bible testifies.

2 Peter 1:20-21 [Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation. For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.]

John 1:1-5 [In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.]

Farkel, unfortunately for you, you are in darkness who cannot understand what the Bible testifies. Jesus is the Word of God that became flesh.

John 1:14 [The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.]

Jesus gave us the Passover bread and wine, His body and blood so we can have eternal life. That's why Jesus saves, not physically, but spiritually, according to the Bible.

Luke 22:7-20 [Then came the day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, "Go and make preparations for us to eat the Passover." "Where do you want us to prepare for it?" they asked. He replied, "As you enter the city, a man carrying a jar of water will meet you. Follow him to the house that he enters, and say to the owner of the house, 'The Teacher asks: Where is the guest room, where I may eat the Passover with my disciples?' He will show you a large upper room, all furnished. Make preparations there." They left and found things just as Jesus had told them. So they prepared the Passover. When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. And he said to them, "I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer. For I tell you, I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of God." After taking the cup, he gave thanks and said, "Take this and divide it among you. For I tell you I will not drink again of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes." And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me." In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.]

John 6:48-56 [I am the bread of life. Your forefathers ate the manna in the desert, yet they died. But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which a man may eat and not die. I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world." Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?" Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him.]

Those who keep Jesus Passover will have eternal life just as He promised according to His words. Farkel, the more you verbally persecute God and His followers, you'll just find yourself fighting against God.

Acts 5:38-39 [Therefore, in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God."]

Farkel, keep them coming. I hope that someday you will see the light of God's truth according to His words. God bless you Farkel.

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God's Sabbath Day - Saturday or Sunday?

by brofromzion in

god bless you.

so you worship god on sunday?

didn't god commanded us to keep the sabbath day?

brofromzion

God bless you. I'm just showing what " the Bible really testifies" and not a man made teachings used to worship God. Only the Bible has the answers. Now if you call this 'spamming' then how can you preach that your church is the true church? Shouldn't we let the Bible speaks for itself? True Christians keep the Word of God, the Bible, as absolute and not just a partial of it. Let's follow the examples of Christ.