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  Is punishing someone for changing their religion against international law

  by ldrnomo in

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  i saw this on wikipedia:.

  the united nations commission on human rights, considers the recanting of a person's religion a human right legally protected by the international covenant on civil and political rights: "the committee observes that the freedom to 'have or to adopt' a religion or belief necessarily entails the freedom to choose a religion or belief, including the right to replace one's current religion or belief with another or to adopt atheistic views [...] article 18.2 bars coercion that would impair the right to have or adopt a religion or belief, including the use of threat of physical force or penal sanctions to compel believers or non-believers to adhere to their religious beliefs and congregations, to recant their religion or belief or to convert."[5].

  seems to me that being shunned by family and friends for quitting jehovah's witnesses would be penal sanctions.. .

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  Attending another church is grounds for disfellowshipping

  by passwordprotected in

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  i'm listening to part two of hobo ken's first judicial committee meeting.

  the part of the proceedings i'm at is where the 3 elders on the committee are interrogating hobo about his fellowship with my wife and me (we had started attending a church, this had become known to our respective families, so to save them having to testify against us we dad).

  one elder in particular has a thorn up his backside (and he knows who he his) because hobo, iknowall and their kids went on holiday with us pre-hobo's disfellowshipping.

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  Worth reading over;

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/179119/1/Is-punishing-someone-for-changing-their-religion-against-international-law
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  Attending another church is grounds for disfellowshipping

  by passwordprotected in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm listening to part two of hobo ken's first judicial committee meeting.

  the part of the proceedings i'm at is where the 3 elders on the committee are interrogating hobo about his fellowship with my wife and me (we had started attending a church, this had become known to our respective families, so to save them having to testify against us we dad).

  one elder in particular has a thorn up his backside (and he knows who he his) because hobo, iknowall and their kids went on holiday with us pre-hobo's disfellowshipping.

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  My understanding is that if the govt intervened, it would be an infringement on the religious rights of the wt society. The wt society has all of the same rights, as does any individual.

  Does the religious group have the right to punish those who leave?
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  Attending another church is grounds for disfellowshipping

  by passwordprotected in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm listening to part two of hobo ken's first judicial committee meeting.

  the part of the proceedings i'm at is where the 3 elders on the committee are interrogating hobo about his fellowship with my wife and me (we had started attending a church, this had become known to our respective families, so to save them having to testify against us we dad).

  one elder in particular has a thorn up his backside (and he knows who he his) because hobo, iknowall and their kids went on holiday with us pre-hobo's disfellowshipping.

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  I think the ones who care, Stephen, are those who are in the Organisation, no longer believe the Governing Body, wish to leave, but are fearful of the penal sanctions imposed on those who leave; i.e. change their religion.

  So, while I've left, my heart goes out to those who are still in and are trapped through fear.

  Does the WTS get away with it's denial of human rights because they are never challenged on it?
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  July Awake; Hi-res scan needed

  by passwordprotected in

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  can anyone supply me with a hi-res scan of the infamous "changing your religion" article, please?

  it's to display on a website i'm planning..

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  Thanks! Sorry I missed this.
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  Attending another church is grounds for disfellowshipping

  by passwordprotected in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm listening to part two of hobo ken's first judicial committee meeting.

  the part of the proceedings i'm at is where the 3 elders on the committee are interrogating hobo about his fellowship with my wife and me (we had started attending a church, this had become known to our respective families, so to save them having to testify against us we dad).

  one elder in particular has a thorn up his backside (and he knows who he his) because hobo, iknowall and their kids went on holiday with us pre-hobo's disfellowshipping.

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  So if the government has pledged to uphold the UNDHR and Article 18 of the UNHDR states that everyone has the right to religious freedom and to change their religion, surely the WTS can be held accountable for denying this right to it's membership.
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  eugenics anyone?

  by ninja in

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  this is the brother of rahm emanuel not liking the spotlight being pointed at him.......we are in trouble folks.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho-0shfeggo.

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  Excuse me, but I'm not laughing at this. I'm laughing at those who are happy to place this amount of power on the opinions of scientists. You seem to be missing my point....

  Fritz Haber was a Nobel Prize winning scientist who's science is still felt powerfully today; he saved millions from starvation. However, when WWI broke out he helped develop and perfect chemical warfare.

  Was Haber purely interested in the well being of other human beings, or was SCIENCE the absolute power in his life?

  So, eugenics and this whole business of deciding who lives and who dies...scientists are playing a massive role in advising governments on how to implement it.

  Do we really trust scientists that much??
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  Attending another church is grounds for disfellowshipping

  by passwordprotected in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm listening to part two of hobo ken's first judicial committee meeting.

  the part of the proceedings i'm at is where the 3 elders on the committee are interrogating hobo about his fellowship with my wife and me (we had started attending a church, this had become known to our respective families, so to save them having to testify against us we dad).

  one elder in particular has a thorn up his backside (and he knows who he his) because hobo, iknowall and their kids went on holiday with us pre-hobo's disfellowshipping.

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  I'm listening to part two of Hobo Ken's first judicial committee meeting. The part of the proceedings I'm at is where the 3 elders on the committee are interrogating Hobo about his fellowship with my wife and me (we had started attending a church, this had become known to our respective families, so to save them having to testify against us we DAd). One elder in particular has a thorn up his backside (and he knows who he his) because Hobo, Iknowall and their kids went on holiday with us pre-Hobo's disfellowshipping. This elder and his wife were originally planning on going away with us, but when I stopped attending meetings they made it clear they would not associate with us anymore.

  While on holiday we'd made a little video with the kids (I'm not in it, neither is my wife, so quite why this is used as some sort of evidence of associating with "disfellowshipped" ones is mental) and the video was on YouTube. My mother-in-law had seen it and reported it to the elders, as you do...

  What's interesting, though, is one of the elders says;

  "They've been attending another church which is obviously enough for us..." at this point he changes tack slightly. But it's clear what he's driving at; attending another church is grounds for disfellowshipping. This is obvious as he probes at Hobo Ken with unsubstantiated claims that he'd been attending a church too.

  How on earth can the WTS make this policy square with the UNDHR Article 18??? Has anyone taken action against the WTS for breach of their human rights AND for breaching the International Convention for Civil and Political Rights, which the UK and USA are bound up to keep?
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  eugenics anyone?

  by ninja in

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  this is the brother of rahm emanuel not liking the spotlight being pointed at him.......we are in trouble folks.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho-0shfeggo.

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  My point is, who says scientists know best about these matters of life or death?
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  eugenics anyone?

  by ninja in

  1. jw
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  this is the brother of rahm emanuel not liking the spotlight being pointed at him.......we are in trouble folks.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho-0shfeggo.

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  Don't believe me about eugenics? Don't believe me about the Government defining whether we deserve to live or die based upon how much THEY think WE are "worth" in dollars

  And who do the Government get advice from on how to determine who lives or who dies? Scientists. Whoops...it's time to roll out the Hitler reference....