if god is outside of nature and therefore cannot be proved or disproved by science, is atheism a form of blind faith?
after all, it cannot be defended on the basis of pure reason.. steven jay gould said;.
"science simply cannot by its legitimate methods adjudicate the issue of god's possible superintendence of nature.
"The burden of proof is on you.
Scientists are beginning to suspect that there is a Multiverse, a Universe of universes from which our own popped out. You can think of our universe as a bubble in a foam of eternal beer.No, I'm not kidding.
villabolo"
Why is the burden of proof on us? Prove that God doesn't exist/prove that he does exist. Face it; faith is required whatever side you fall down on.
if god is outside of nature and therefore cannot be proved or disproved by science, is atheism a form of blind faith?
after all, it cannot be defended on the basis of pure reason.. steven jay gould said;.
"science simply cannot by its legitimate methods adjudicate the issue of god's possible superintendence of nature.
@ Farkel - "How can non-faith be a "faith?" The whole idea is ridiculous. It's as dumb as saying atheism is a "religion": non-belief is a "belief."
Absurd"
You may wish to re-read this.
@ besty - where is the empirical evidence that not believing in God, based on all of the available evidence (ie. the same evidence used to say that he does exist), is the simpler option?
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If there's not evidence that God doesn't exist, believing it to be so requires faith.
if god is outside of nature and therefore cannot be proved or disproved by science, is atheism a form of blind faith?
after all, it cannot be defended on the basis of pure reason.. steven jay gould said;.
"science simply cannot by its legitimate methods adjudicate the issue of god's possible superintendence of nature.
"A fourth dimensional purple unicorn appeared out of nowhere and stole my car keys. I will not provide any empirical evidence to support my claim.
If you don't accept my claim, are you doing so out of "blind faith"?"
I say that you're talking rubbish, there is no such purple unicorn and I'm not going to provide any "empirical evidence" (as I haven't experienced your purple unicorn in my life) to support my claim.
If I don't accept your claim it's because I choose not to believe your personal experience.
if god is outside of nature and therefore cannot be proved or disproved by science, is atheism a form of blind faith?
after all, it cannot be defended on the basis of pure reason.. steven jay gould said;.
"science simply cannot by its legitimate methods adjudicate the issue of god's possible superintendence of nature.
@TheClarinetist great answer.
if god is outside of nature and therefore cannot be proved or disproved by science, is atheism a form of blind faith?
after all, it cannot be defended on the basis of pure reason.. steven jay gould said;.
"science simply cannot by its legitimate methods adjudicate the issue of god's possible superintendence of nature.
If God is outside of nature and therefore cannot be proved or disproved by science, is atheism a form of blind faith? After all, it cannot be defended on the basis of pure reason.
Steven Jay Gould said ;
"Science simply cannot by its legitimate methods adjudicate the issue of God's possible superintendence of nature. We cannot affirm nor deny it; we simply can't comment on it as scientists."
while in the org we are constantly told that if we just tow the line and behave that will we be blessed and everything we want will come to us.
personaly i havn't found that to be the case in the 30 years i spent trying to tow the line.. but now i've left wonderfull things are starting to happen in my life and i'm so very happy!.
so i wondered, have you encountered more "blessings" or less since leaving?.
I've received many, many blessings since leaving.
i decided after much study and soul searching that i dont believe in god.
ive noticed recently (not on the forum but others) some people seem to think that if i dont believe in a god that im obviously morally bankrupt.
i dont feel this way as i give a portion of my income to charity and i have never set out to harm anyone else.
No one has addressed the existence of Moral Law. This desire to do good - even when no reward is offered - where did it come from?
And I'm never done being stunned at the response of people on this forum to religion (yes, I can understand bitter antipathy and resentful suspicion towards any form of religion), but seriously?
This has the effect of devaluing one's life. Most commonly, it results in wasted time and inhibitions that should not have been there. Sometimes it means going to war. Other times, it means accepting hardships (up to and including death) for one's religion (including doctrinal issues and to spread the religion). Rarely, people even kill their families and/or themselves hoping to take a shortcut to that reward.
Without religion, you are going to have good people doing good things. You are going to have bad people doing bad things. But, once you start adding religion to the mix, you start having otherwise good people doing bad things.
stolen away from you, slipping through your greedy, grasping little furry paws like a melting ice cube?
or do you place your time where you want to, feeling like you've accomplished something at the end of the day for your expenditure?.
"Or do you place your time where you want to, feeling like you've accomplished something at the end of the day for your expenditure?"
Based on previously posted pictures, where does cleaning your apartment come when you laying out the day in front of you? ;-)
i decided after much study and soul searching that i dont believe in god.
ive noticed recently (not on the forum but others) some people seem to think that if i dont believe in a god that im obviously morally bankrupt.
i dont feel this way as i give a portion of my income to charity and i have never set out to harm anyone else.
@ AllTimeJeff - please, humour me on this and pick up a copy of The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief by Francis S. Collins
