If we're merely animals, controlled by greedy, selfish genes, if life is just a blind and pitiless existence which perfectly reflects the universe in which we live, what is the purpose of it all?
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Is Life a Blind and Pitiless Existance?
by passwordprotected inif we're merely animals, controlled by greedy, selfish genes, if life is just a blind and pitiless existence which perfectly reflects the universe in which we live, what is the purpose of it all?.
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Human Animals?
by passwordprotected ininspired by this comment (post 16581 from satanus), i dug out a quote from richard dawkins;.
i wonder whether, some 60 years after hitler's death, we might at least venture to ask what the moral difference is between breeding for musical ability and forcing a child to take music lessons.
or why it is acceptable to train fast runners and high jumpers but not to breed them.
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You seem to have a large amount of irrational fear. How many evolutionists talk about killing people?
Again with the straw man.
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Is Atheism a Form of Blind Faith?
by passwordprotected inif god is outside of nature and therefore cannot be proved or disproved by science, is atheism a form of blind faith?
after all, it cannot be defended on the basis of pure reason.. steven jay gould said;.
"science simply cannot by its legitimate methods adjudicate the issue of god's possible superintendence of nature.
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How would you answer a member of the LDS church who believes God spoke through the Book of Mormon and through Joseph Smith?
From a Christian perspective I'd point to Jesus as being the absolute last word. If Jesus is not front and centre of any post-Messiah revelation then I'd have to reject it and question where the voice of God actually came from.
Galations 1: 6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!
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Is Atheism a Form of Blind Faith?
by passwordprotected inif god is outside of nature and therefore cannot be proved or disproved by science, is atheism a form of blind faith?
after all, it cannot be defended on the basis of pure reason.. steven jay gould said;.
"science simply cannot by its legitimate methods adjudicate the issue of god's possible superintendence of nature.
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Back to the OP;
Steven Jay Gould said ;
"Science simply cannot by its legitimate methods adjudicate the issue of God's possible superintendence of nature. We cannot affirm nor deny it; we simply can't comment on it as scientists."
Taking Gould at his word, and removing anything science may have to say on the subject - which would mean that atheists cannot point to empirical scientific evidence or anything pertaining to science - how does a person have proof that God doesn't exist?
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Is Atheism a Form of Blind Faith?
by passwordprotected inif god is outside of nature and therefore cannot be proved or disproved by science, is atheism a form of blind faith?
after all, it cannot be defended on the basis of pure reason.. steven jay gould said;.
"science simply cannot by its legitimate methods adjudicate the issue of god's possible superintendence of nature.
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What I have brought up is that at best, that can only be good enough for you. Share it, I expect you to share it.
So, that's the experience of God and faith. You feel the presence of God in your life. Belief in God comes from personal experience. For some, that through seeing a stunning sunset. For others it's being healed.
If a person doesn't see God or hear God in their life, I wouldn't expect them to believe in him. If a person does see and hear God in their life, I would expect them to believe in him.
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Is Atheism a Form of Blind Faith?
by passwordprotected inif god is outside of nature and therefore cannot be proved or disproved by science, is atheism a form of blind faith?
after all, it cannot be defended on the basis of pure reason.. steven jay gould said;.
"science simply cannot by its legitimate methods adjudicate the issue of god's possible superintendence of nature.
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God needs to do more of the talking and needs to rely less on his supporters for the vocalization of gods agenda.
I can only speak from a Christian perspective; God has spoken, through the Bible and through Jesus. Jesus left instructions for his disciples to make more disciples and teach them the things he taught them.
For the sake of argument; if we're the creation of a god, what gives us the right to lay down the rules of his engagement with us?
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Is Atheism a Form of Blind Faith?
by passwordprotected inif god is outside of nature and therefore cannot be proved or disproved by science, is atheism a form of blind faith?
after all, it cannot be defended on the basis of pure reason.. steven jay gould said;.
"science simply cannot by its legitimate methods adjudicate the issue of god's possible superintendence of nature.
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It's been pointed out to you in this thread at least once and you seem to be missing it.
I'm not missing it.
Probably there's no God.
Fine.
But what if there is?
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Why Do people think they need A GOD to be good people?
by LucyA ini decided after much study and soul searching that i dont believe in god.
ive noticed recently (not on the forum but others) some people seem to think that if i dont believe in a god that im obviously morally bankrupt.
i dont feel this way as i give a portion of my income to charity and i have never set out to harm anyone else.
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Human Animals?
by passwordprotected ininspired by this comment (post 16581 from satanus), i dug out a quote from richard dawkins;.
i wonder whether, some 60 years after hitler's death, we might at least venture to ask what the moral difference is between breeding for musical ability and forcing a child to take music lessons.
or why it is acceptable to train fast runners and high jumpers but not to breed them.
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You can read it in context here.
I'm not sure what difference the context makes. If humans are merely animals, then killing humans because they do not have the desired breeding qualities will be acceptable. Deciding which human animals can and should breed will also be acceptable. Is taking Hitler's core ideas and moving forward with them, putting a more presentable face on them, ok? What if someone without a silly small moustache was the face of eugenics? What that be ok?
Is reducing humans to the same status as animals, in a world where animals are bred, farmed, killed and used as 'machines', a good thing? Didn't it lead to serious issues previously, such as "ethnic cleansing"?
People are welcome to think that eugenics is a good thing and that social Darwinism should be explored and developed.
I don't happen to agree.
I don't think it's ever acceptable to reduce humans to mere animals.
I wonder whether, some 60 years after Hitler's death, we might at least venture to ask what the moral difference is between breeding for musical ability and forcing a child to take music lessons. Or why it is acceptable to train fast runners and high jumpers but not to breed them. I can think of some answers, and they are good ones, which would probably end up persuading me. But hasn't the time come when we should stop being frightened even to put the question?
Notice the use of "moral difference". Was what Hitler tried to accomplish moral or immoral? Or did he just balls it all up for the eugenicists by proving to be too extreme? Should human animals be more gently moved into selective bredding rather than pushed into it with a cattle prod the way Hitler did?
Dawkins isn't afraid to ask the questions that Hitler ballsed up and made politically incorrect. I personally believe that reducing humans to mere breeding commodities (or animals) is immoral.
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Why Do people think they need A GOD to be good people?
by LucyA ini decided after much study and soul searching that i dont believe in god.
ive noticed recently (not on the forum but others) some people seem to think that if i dont believe in a god that im obviously morally bankrupt.
i dont feel this way as i give a portion of my income to charity and i have never set out to harm anyone else.
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I don't have a problem with animals. I own a black labrador.