Prayer is powerfully important. But guess what? As Christians Christ expects us to not only pray, but to obey. If we're Christ's body on earth, then sometimes we need to stand up and be counted. That may mean taking the WTS on in some shape or form.
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Attending another church is grounds for disfellowshipping
by passwordprotected ini'm listening to part two of hobo ken's first judicial committee meeting.
the part of the proceedings i'm at is where the 3 elders on the committee are interrogating hobo about his fellowship with my wife and me (we had started attending a church, this had become known to our respective families, so to save them having to testify against us we dad).
one elder in particular has a thorn up his backside (and he knows who he his) because hobo, iknowall and their kids went on holiday with us pre-hobo's disfellowshipping.
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Is the WTS preparing for a MASS EXODUS?
by passwordprotected inhobo ken and i were chatting about this yesterday.. the wts has past experience of losing vast numbers of members very quickly.
from their post-25 and post-75 experiences they will know how best to prepare their organisational structure to remain afloat when they experience another exodus.. we're only 5 years from the 100 year anniversary of ct russell walking into the dining room and announcing the gentile times had ended.
since then, millions of people have molded and adjusted their lives and personal expectations based on the date 1914. the wts must know that 2015 is going to bring with it one or two upset jws.... so, is the wts preparing for a mass exodus right now?.
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If they drop 1919 some will be up in arms. The hard core people won't bat an eyelid.
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Is the WTS preparing for a MASS EXODUS?
by passwordprotected inhobo ken and i were chatting about this yesterday.. the wts has past experience of losing vast numbers of members very quickly.
from their post-25 and post-75 experiences they will know how best to prepare their organisational structure to remain afloat when they experience another exodus.. we're only 5 years from the 100 year anniversary of ct russell walking into the dining room and announcing the gentile times had ended.
since then, millions of people have molded and adjusted their lives and personal expectations based on the date 1914. the wts must know that 2015 is going to bring with it one or two upset jws.... so, is the wts preparing for a mass exodus right now?.
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Remember, it's the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society Incorporated. They're a corporation. They're a business. They have business advisers and consultants, lawyers, board meetings, reports, flow charts and all the other bits n pieces that any other New York corporation has.
Number one is the bottom line.
I prophecy that they're readying themselves for a significant drop off in adherents over the next 5 years. And I think this suits them fine. 3 million bleating and obedient sheep who'll do anything and go anywhere for the hired hand (faithful slave) is better than 7 million cantankerous donkeys.
Maybe the exodus won't be MASS, but it'll be constant and consistent.
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eugenics anyone?
by ninja inthis is the brother of rahm emanuel not liking the spotlight being pointed at him.......we are in trouble folks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho-0shfeggo.
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Bill Gates donates huges sums of money to what was once Planned Parenting. 'Sall about the eugenics.
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Attending another church is grounds for disfellowshipping
by passwordprotected ini'm listening to part two of hobo ken's first judicial committee meeting.
the part of the proceedings i'm at is where the 3 elders on the committee are interrogating hobo about his fellowship with my wife and me (we had started attending a church, this had become known to our respective families, so to save them having to testify against us we dad).
one elder in particular has a thorn up his backside (and he knows who he his) because hobo, iknowall and their kids went on holiday with us pre-hobo's disfellowshipping.
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Very, very good point, Blondie. Speaking personally, we only joined our church in March. By then we had been classed as DAd since last October. We were going to church services in October, but weren't members...
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Attending another church is grounds for disfellowshipping
by passwordprotected ini'm listening to part two of hobo ken's first judicial committee meeting.
the part of the proceedings i'm at is where the 3 elders on the committee are interrogating hobo about his fellowship with my wife and me (we had started attending a church, this had become known to our respective families, so to save them having to testify against us we dad).
one elder in particular has a thorn up his backside (and he knows who he his) because hobo, iknowall and their kids went on holiday with us pre-hobo's disfellowshipping.
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Define punish
An announcement is made, "So and So is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses", meaning that thru their actions (and we're talking about someone who has left and joined another church, for example) they are now to be shunned, en mass, by those who still are known as Jehovah's Witnesses.
That is punishment.
Should a person be made to worship God in a way he feels unacceptable or be made to choose between his beliefs or his family?
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Attending another church is grounds for disfellowshipping
by passwordprotected ini'm listening to part two of hobo ken's first judicial committee meeting.
the part of the proceedings i'm at is where the 3 elders on the committee are interrogating hobo about his fellowship with my wife and me (we had started attending a church, this had become known to our respective families, so to save them having to testify against us we dad).
one elder in particular has a thorn up his backside (and he knows who he his) because hobo, iknowall and their kids went on holiday with us pre-hobo's disfellowshipping.
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Let's be clear;
- I am not suggesting that the religion should not have the right to eject membership
- I am not suggesting that the members of the religion should not have the right to behave how they wish, i.e. voluntarily shun ex-members
What I'm saying is, why are the WTS unchallenged on teaching that it's membership should, as stated in official doctrine and policy, shun those who wish to leave the group, join a new church or otherwise renounce their membership?
Bear in mind, shunning disassociated ones is not a matter of personal choice or conscience; it is official WTS policy and doctrine. Failure to abide by this will result in judicial action being taken.
Also, going to another church is grounds for judicial action and punishment. Failure to attend the judicial hearing results in automatic ejection from the group. That person is then subject to shunning, not just voluntarily on the part of those still in the group, but as per the official doctrine and policy.
Should the WTS be granted the religious freedoms they enjoy here in the UK and in the States when they do not afford their own membership such freedoms? Or do we continue to just roll over and wish the whole thing hadn't happened?
How many would leave the WTS if they knew they could and not be shunned by their family and friends?
And many shun family and friends, not because they actually want to, but because they believe it's what GOD wants, as told to them by the WTS?
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Attending another church is grounds for disfellowshipping
by passwordprotected ini'm listening to part two of hobo ken's first judicial committee meeting.
the part of the proceedings i'm at is where the 3 elders on the committee are interrogating hobo about his fellowship with my wife and me (we had started attending a church, this had become known to our respective families, so to save them having to testify against us we dad).
one elder in particular has a thorn up his backside (and he knows who he his) because hobo, iknowall and their kids went on holiday with us pre-hobo's disfellowshipping.
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@ LeavingWT - but if our basic human rights, as outlined by the UN, allow us to change or recant our beliefs without coercion of punishment, why are the WTS allowed to implement penal sanctions against those who do this very thing?
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Attending another church is grounds for disfellowshipping
by passwordprotected ini'm listening to part two of hobo ken's first judicial committee meeting.
the part of the proceedings i'm at is where the 3 elders on the committee are interrogating hobo about his fellowship with my wife and me (we had started attending a church, this had become known to our respective families, so to save them having to testify against us we dad).
one elder in particular has a thorn up his backside (and he knows who he his) because hobo, iknowall and their kids went on holiday with us pre-hobo's disfellowshipping.
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Who would the action be taken against; the WTS or the brothers who sign the forms which class you as disfellowshipped or disassociated?
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Is punishing someone for changing their religion against international law
by ldrnomo ini saw this on wikipedia:.
the united nations commission on human rights, considers the recanting of a person's religion a human right legally protected by the international covenant on civil and political rights: "the committee observes that the freedom to 'have or to adopt' a religion or belief necessarily entails the freedom to choose a religion or belief, including the right to replace one's current religion or belief with another or to adopt atheistic views [...] article 18.2 bars coercion that would impair the right to have or adopt a religion or belief, including the use of threat of physical force or penal sanctions to compel believers or non-believers to adhere to their religious beliefs and congregations, to recant their religion or belief or to convert."[5].
seems to me that being shunned by family and friends for quitting jehovah's witnesses would be penal sanctions.. .
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