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What kind of spider understands arachnophobia?
HS
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The JWD stigma about being "nice"
by changeling ini'm back from a little jwd break and i'm happy to see that things are not as volatile as when i left.
however, some things never change.
and one thing that seems to be a constant around here is the mentality of some very intelligent and knowledgeble ones (in their own minds at least) that if you are "nice" you are some how emotionally needy and/or not too bright.. i don't think the "happy people" on the board have anything against people with high iq's.
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Progressive Rock Music?
by hillary_step ini place a question mark on the thread title as i have never read a definition of this genre of rock music that seemed to fit the bill.
what is generally agreed is that it is a european musical phenomena that began in the late 60's and peaked in popularity in the early 70's though it has always had an audience and one which seems to be growing in popularity again.. my own definition is one that suggests: 'music in which the musicians can move from jazz to rock to pop to classical and back again with equal ease'.
i am sure that simplifies things.
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hillary_step
Terry,
The hip-hop "beat" hasn't varied much for ten years. Why does that bore me and thrill them?
Because it is more lifestyle than music? Have you read Kenny Drew on rap music?
http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=21243
I thought this rather witty:
It's a sad commentary on our culture and society when the biggest thing in popular music is an ex-crack dealer whose claim to fame is being shot nine times, and one of the greatest entertainers in the world was on trial for child molestation. If that's not a sign of the coming Apocalypse, I don't know what is! And if 50Cent was really shot nine times, why couldn't one of those bullets have hit a vital organ? Who the fuck was shooting at him: Stevie Wonder?
HS
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The JWD stigma about being "nice"
by changeling ini'm back from a little jwd break and i'm happy to see that things are not as volatile as when i left.
however, some things never change.
and one thing that seems to be a constant around here is the mentality of some very intelligent and knowledgeble ones (in their own minds at least) that if you are "nice" you are some how emotionally needy and/or not too bright.. i don't think the "happy people" on the board have anything against people with high iq's.
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hillary_step
Cog,
The most amusing thing about this whole issue is that the thread itself is a passive agressive attempt, typical of the Cuddly Club itself, to fire a broadside at one person and yet clothe it to appear as if it were a general topic. Flipper has done the very same thing himself on another thread. Yet another (in his case) passive agressive attempt as firing a broadside at a person withou actually naming them.
Now, think about this. What does it remind you of? Surely those wonderful little talks that the elders used to give to 'erring' ones, never actually mentioning names but under cowardly cover making quite sure everybody knew who was being singled out. At least I have the courage to speak....mmmm....face to face....lol As Oscar Wilde might have said, 'There is no sin exept stupidity'.
Changeling and Flipper. Who really is the bully and the coward?
HS
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The JWD stigma about being "nice"
by changeling ini'm back from a little jwd break and i'm happy to see that things are not as volatile as when i left.
however, some things never change.
and one thing that seems to be a constant around here is the mentality of some very intelligent and knowledgeble ones (in their own minds at least) that if you are "nice" you are some how emotionally needy and/or not too bright.. i don't think the "happy people" on the board have anything against people with high iq's.
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hillary_step
Changeling,
Just for the record, Flipper and I have exchanged words about the 'Peace Out' scenario 'face to face' whatever that might mean on a discussion Board. He even joined in the fun. If you think I am apprehensive about facing people, it shows that you are even more ignorant about me than I first thought. Face to face on a discussion board...mmm...interesting turn of phrase that perhaps shows more about the issue than at first might be thought. <--- pap pyschology - so you see, two can play at that game. ;)
As for being a 'bully', are you suggesting that the person involved here is unable to voice his own opinions and views my comments as 'bullying'? Flipper may be a bit of a soft nellie, but I am sure that he can give as good as he takes. ;)
Your big error? Presumption Changeling. You presume far too much, I am afraid that you are a hypocrite as well, but that does not stop me loving you.
HS
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The JWD stigma about being "nice"
by changeling ini'm back from a little jwd break and i'm happy to see that things are not as volatile as when i left.
however, some things never change.
and one thing that seems to be a constant around here is the mentality of some very intelligent and knowledgeble ones (in their own minds at least) that if you are "nice" you are some how emotionally needy and/or not too bright.. i don't think the "happy people" on the board have anything against people with high iq's.
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hillary_step
Wings,
I would like to hear an intelligent comment about why it is wrong, bad, stupid, worthless, idiot behavior....to care and reach out to someone on this board who is asking for help.
So would I.
HS
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The JWD stigma about being "nice"
by changeling ini'm back from a little jwd break and i'm happy to see that things are not as volatile as when i left.
however, some things never change.
and one thing that seems to be a constant around here is the mentality of some very intelligent and knowledgeble ones (in their own minds at least) that if you are "nice" you are some how emotionally needy and/or not too bright.. i don't think the "happy people" on the board have anything against people with high iq's.
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hillary_step
Cog,
Ahhh! A disagreement, is this a divorce?
I really like Mr. Flipper and think he is a caring person also. So you see, Hillary and I don't agree on everything, (Journey On).
No divorce. Online Mr Flipper seems like a very sweet and caring person, that does not mean he is above being teased along with the rest of us. I hope that he realizes this also.
Nothing worng with yesterdays hippies as far as I am concerned, I happen to be one too. ;)
HS
PS - Maintenance cheque for the twins is in the mail.
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The JWD stigma about being "nice"
by changeling ini'm back from a little jwd break and i'm happy to see that things are not as volatile as when i left.
however, some things never change.
and one thing that seems to be a constant around here is the mentality of some very intelligent and knowledgeble ones (in their own minds at least) that if you are "nice" you are some how emotionally needy and/or not too bright.. i don't think the "happy people" on the board have anything against people with high iq's.
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hillary_step
Wings,
Thank you for your mail, though I am not sure what you want me to comment on.
If it is this, then I will join Changeling in a little amateur psychology.:
I guess HS isn't available. Funny how we adults don't like to be called names.
I do not mind being called names. Why should I? Call me what you wish. If my wife or close friends described me as a 'bully', something that has never happened nor is likely too, then I would take heed. A stranger calls me a name on a discussion Board and I am supposed to mind ? Why?
If someone calls me a name online, I presume that they want to have some in return. I am always ready to oblige when I can be bothered.
HS
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When You Were a JWD Newbie - Were You Shown a Warm Welcome ?
by flipper inone thing we all have in common - everybody who started posting on jwd , were all " new " posters in the beginning on this board.
so take yourself back in time for a minute - how were you received here ?
did people welcome you warmly ?
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hillary_step
Flipper,
No, I was not. The Board was a much wilder place in those days, so I got an indecent amount of kicking when I suggested that people should not bully others and talk nicely to each other. I took the Board more seriously than I should have and got a rapid lesson in reality.
I deserved the kicking and welcomed it. It helped to expunge the last vestiges of cultic thinking that contaminated my psyche.
I also learned very quickly the foolishness of attempting to judge character online. AlanF had a somewhat fearsome reputation online, being variously described as an arrogant, bullying, name-calling piece of dog waste by those who grappled with him. When I met him I found him to be one of the most humble, patient, kind and smart people that I had met. Like myself he does not suffer fools gladly, but he also helped numerous people to see the light about the WTS, I confidently say more so than any other person who has posted about the subject online.
The issue is all about growing up emotionally after years in a system that viewed the individual as pap. Sometimes, as in my case, we need some help doing this along the way.
HS
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Progressive Rock Music?
by hillary_step ini place a question mark on the thread title as i have never read a definition of this genre of rock music that seemed to fit the bill.
what is generally agreed is that it is a european musical phenomena that began in the late 60's and peaked in popularity in the early 70's though it has always had an audience and one which seems to be growing in popularity again.. my own definition is one that suggests: 'music in which the musicians can move from jazz to rock to pop to classical and back again with equal ease'.
i am sure that simplifies things.
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hillary_step
nvrgnbk,
I have a record company, small and new, so I have to be aware of what is out there, especially in my own domain. I have to say though that I always more interested in innovators than copyists. For example, the second Bob Wyatt song was recorded a couple of years ago not in 1970 and I can almost guarantee that you can find no other person who writes and sounds like him. This is why I posted it, to show that a world class drummer paralysed from the waist downwards in 1973 has made a career in music that is upraralleled, just as Picasso would have if he lost the use of his right hand.
I think this is what Terry and I are whining on about. I do not blame young musicians for this, it is the record companies who should take much of the blame for placing creativity way down the list of the important charaterstics of there 'commodities'.
I have played through a couple of the links you posted and have some Radiohead myself which I find very good in small flashes of brilliance, but generally quite tedious. What I hear makes me think, 'yeah, good, sounds like....." I like my bands to sound like themselves. I also like for them to be players who can move from genres like rock, jazz and classical without even having to think about it. Not that they will excel in all these genres, but that they are accomplished musicians I have heard no bands like that in modern times, apart from the old farts still playing and jazz musicians. I will concede that there are some terrific young Jazz players. The reason that so few cave in to record company pressures is that much fewer people listen to Jazz, with subsequently less money on the table.
I feel sure for example that you can find no bands who play as well as Soft Machine, PFM, National Health, Henry Cow for example whose members still maintain the level of creativity that they had when they first took to the traps. Record companies used to take risks, often because they were run by music fans themslves. It is this approach which fed creativity. Many of my old friends made up the band Caravan. I can tell you that when Decca first signed them, they also allowed them seven months during which they practiced day and night, seven days a week, twelve hours a day in an old church hall that they rented before they cut their first album. I know a lot of record company executives and a lot of young musicians, but I have only seen this level of committment in Jazz, or among very few emerging musicians. It was not, "I wanna be a rock star and make millions', it was 'I wanna make music".
Whine over. Terry's turn now. ;)
HS
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The JWD stigma about being "nice"
by changeling ini'm back from a little jwd break and i'm happy to see that things are not as volatile as when i left.
however, some things never change.
and one thing that seems to be a constant around here is the mentality of some very intelligent and knowledgeble ones (in their own minds at least) that if you are "nice" you are some how emotionally needy and/or not too bright.. i don't think the "happy people" on the board have anything against people with high iq's.
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hillary_step
Changeling,
I am not sure what you mean by being 'nice'. Can you explain. I cannot think of any person that I would want to insult by calling them 'nice'. ;)
Many topics on this Board challenge, as well they should. Often topics are controversial. Religious, anti religious or political threads being the topics that normally raise the ire, as few people I suspect care that much about the flavor of pizza toppings. Inevitably the more controversial subjects raise the hackles of some, and again, so they should.
The WTS had one method that dealt with contoversy. It was not so much the 'Can't we all get along together' philosophy, it went even further and roamed into the 'we WILL get along with one another' philosophy. The basis on which this philosophy rested was that we all speak in unison in order for our statements to be 'seasoned with salt' so that we may not stumble those we were trying to recruit. It is an unhealthy philosophy leading to much mental turmoil because stifiling opinions, however strongly they may manifest themselves, is psychologically harmful.
I have seen that philosophy reversed on this Board and have seen people 'counselled' for expressing strong viewpoints in a vigorous manner just in case exiting JW's are frightened away from the Board. I have repeatedly, and accurately asserted that any person who posts to this Board does NOT do it as a spontaneous, first off, action. Often they read the Board for weeks, some like Burn for example, for years before posting. They know what they are getting in to. What many do not know is how to express opinions, and once expressed how to sustain these opinions. They have not had a voice in the past, and are finding it, or have found it. This Board helps people to grow opinions. And good luck to them. I too was a member of the cuddly club at one point but learned quickly that it merely empowers negative behavior in many.
I detest the insipid phoniness that shines like a beacon from the posts of many who are still clinging to the safety of 'congregationl thinking' and seek to counsel others as to when they can speak, how their speech should be presented, and in what manner they comport themselves on a public discussion Board, which is moderated anyway. I would love to see them discussing politics in a Parisian cafe, or football at an Italian one...lol. The real world is not alaways the happy place we would desire.
I am not scared of peoples opinions, however vigorously they are presented. I spent ten years as a Special Pioneer in an area where the Witnesses were pretty well loathed so I developed a thick skin, but for members of the Cuddly Club who are perhaps more sensitively inclined need to learn three things:
1) This is merely a discussion Board, not the United Nations. However many delusionary claims that we may make about saving souls on this Board are too grandoise to be taken seriously. Those souls were saved or otherwise weeks, months or years before the person subscribed to this Board.
2) If you do not want to be witness to strong opinons, strongly presented, strongly attacked and strongly defended, do not click on any political threads, those that deal with evolution and science, and those in which Board members pepper spray elderly Witnesses or pretend to be who they are not. ;)
3) They would be taken more seriously if they did not spend all day insulting Jehovah's Witnesses.
HS