Weana_ would it make any difference if the reinstated one was a male or female s regards treatment of this kind? I know mikes and public prayers would not entere into it, but ust curious..
truthlover
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Reinstatement-Curent elders please reply
by truthlover inwhile being reinstated several months ago -- no restriction were given other than no commenting - service was allowed - getting over the average for the cong, not missing meetings - its been months now and the brother met recently with someof the jc members - they praised his hours and meeting attendance but because his lessons are not completely underlined, and he does make notes during the meeting, he has not been allowed to still make comments and become a fully active member of the congregation as they say this note taking is causing a problem with other members of the congregation.. have you even heard of anything so off the wall?
is this the way its done in most cong??
he thought if someone was interested enough to listen and make notes of a good point in their mags, it would be something to be referred to in the future... i know i have seen folks doing this while the lesson is being read.... .
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Reinstatement-Curent elders please reply
by truthlover inwhile being reinstated several months ago -- no restriction were given other than no commenting - service was allowed - getting over the average for the cong, not missing meetings - its been months now and the brother met recently with someof the jc members - they praised his hours and meeting attendance but because his lessons are not completely underlined, and he does make notes during the meeting, he has not been allowed to still make comments and become a fully active member of the congregation as they say this note taking is causing a problem with other members of the congregation.. have you even heard of anything so off the wall?
is this the way its done in most cong??
he thought if someone was interested enough to listen and make notes of a good point in their mags, it would be something to be referred to in the future... i know i have seen folks doing this while the lesson is being read.... .
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CL -- the strange thing is that most of the lesson is done but sometimes a good point is made and tagged or noted for future reference and they are taking it as not pre studying the lesson
I know I do it, as do others in the cong.. so I am just trying to dig into the reason why it would even be mentioned.. I think JW is on the right trail...
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Reinstatement-Curent elders please reply
by truthlover inwhile being reinstated several months ago -- no restriction were given other than no commenting - service was allowed - getting over the average for the cong, not missing meetings - its been months now and the brother met recently with someof the jc members - they praised his hours and meeting attendance but because his lessons are not completely underlined, and he does make notes during the meeting, he has not been allowed to still make comments and become a fully active member of the congregation as they say this note taking is causing a problem with other members of the congregation.. have you even heard of anything so off the wall?
is this the way its done in most cong??
he thought if someone was interested enough to listen and make notes of a good point in their mags, it would be something to be referred to in the future... i know i have seen folks doing this while the lesson is being read.... .
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truthlover
Thanks Weana , good info too - I will pass the info on to him that this is indeed a strange reason, seeing that you did bring out that even visitors can make comments, as well as unbaptized persons - could be something for them to chew on ..
Patience is indeed a virtue - but when one is trying so hard, it is taxing to say the least and sometimes he has gone over the top in presenting his case
thanks again
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Reinstatement-Curent elders please reply
by truthlover inwhile being reinstated several months ago -- no restriction were given other than no commenting - service was allowed - getting over the average for the cong, not missing meetings - its been months now and the brother met recently with someof the jc members - they praised his hours and meeting attendance but because his lessons are not completely underlined, and he does make notes during the meeting, he has not been allowed to still make comments and become a fully active member of the congregation as they say this note taking is causing a problem with other members of the congregation.. have you even heard of anything so off the wall?
is this the way its done in most cong??
he thought if someone was interested enough to listen and make notes of a good point in their mags, it would be something to be referred to in the future... i know i have seen folks doing this while the lesson is being read.... .
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JW- what about the underlining issue? ever head of that??
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Reinstatement-Curent elders please reply
by truthlover inwhile being reinstated several months ago -- no restriction were given other than no commenting - service was allowed - getting over the average for the cong, not missing meetings - its been months now and the brother met recently with someof the jc members - they praised his hours and meeting attendance but because his lessons are not completely underlined, and he does make notes during the meeting, he has not been allowed to still make comments and become a fully active member of the congregation as they say this note taking is causing a problem with other members of the congregation.. have you even heard of anything so off the wall?
is this the way its done in most cong??
he thought if someone was interested enough to listen and make notes of a good point in their mags, it would be something to be referred to in the future... i know i have seen folks doing this while the lesson is being read.... .
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Thanks JW - but its not that easy - his family is involved in the cong too and can it get serious -=dont want to lose them
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Reinstatement-Curent elders please reply
by truthlover inwhile being reinstated several months ago -- no restriction were given other than no commenting - service was allowed - getting over the average for the cong, not missing meetings - its been months now and the brother met recently with someof the jc members - they praised his hours and meeting attendance but because his lessons are not completely underlined, and he does make notes during the meeting, he has not been allowed to still make comments and become a fully active member of the congregation as they say this note taking is causing a problem with other members of the congregation.. have you even heard of anything so off the wall?
is this the way its done in most cong??
he thought if someone was interested enough to listen and make notes of a good point in their mags, it would be something to be referred to in the future... i know i have seen folks doing this while the lesson is being read.... .
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Doesn't make sense to me either.. he is very despondent and they will not give any lee way... one in particular is adamant
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Reinstatement-Curent elders please reply
by truthlover inwhile being reinstated several months ago -- no restriction were given other than no commenting - service was allowed - getting over the average for the cong, not missing meetings - its been months now and the brother met recently with someof the jc members - they praised his hours and meeting attendance but because his lessons are not completely underlined, and he does make notes during the meeting, he has not been allowed to still make comments and become a fully active member of the congregation as they say this note taking is causing a problem with other members of the congregation.. have you even heard of anything so off the wall?
is this the way its done in most cong??
he thought if someone was interested enough to listen and make notes of a good point in their mags, it would be something to be referred to in the future... i know i have seen folks doing this while the lesson is being read.... .
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truthlover
while being reinstated several months ago -- no restriction were given other than no commenting - service was allowed - getting over the average for the cong, not missing meetings - its been months now and the brother met recently with someof the JC members - they praised his hours and meeting attendance But because his lessons are not completely underlined, and he does make notes during the meeting, he has not been allowed to still make comments and become a fully active member of the congregation as they say this note taking is causing a problem with other members of the congregation.. have you even heard of anything so off the wall? IS this the way its done in most cong?? He thought if someone was interested enough to listen and make notes of a good point in their mags, it would be something to be referred to in the future..
I know I have seen folks doing this while the lesson is being read...
I personally think this a is moot point - who doesnt make notes or underline a point that may have been overlooked while studying- but should this hold one back from full reinstatment
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TRINITY Challenge for JW's, Unitarians and Anyone Else
by UnDisfellowshipped intrinity challenge using only the new world translation of the holy scriptures -- let us debate and reason on the scriptures about whether god almighty is a trinity, or is only one person.. on another thread, bane said that we know for a fact immediately that nearly all religions other than jehovah's witnesses are false because almost all of them believe in the trinity.
and bane claims he can "out-scripturize" anyone with the help of jehovah.
* the son was praying to the father.
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Sorry PD -- left the site for a while
ok - yes - I did miss your question of how did he raise his body...
So I read somewhere that "the spirit goes out, it goes back to the God who gave it".... (Ecc 12:7)so the simplest answer would be that Jesus was no longer in the tomb/ body, but had returned to heaven with his Father upon his expiring.. consequently he was able to raise up that fleshly body - no problem there
Have to disagree on the nature aspect -- the meaning in greek indicates a "kind" now we know that God is a spirit and those who worship him do so in spirit and truth so again, when Jesus was created, he too was a spirit, it had nothing to do with god, as such.. you are speaking of Jesus as being the first creation , being god or a god-- so are you saying that Satan is a god also? since he was made by Jehovah/Yhwh??
and to go a little further, what about the angels, are they not "spirits" sent forth to do Yhwh's will?? They are not gods,but powerful spirit creatures...
"Nature",kind,spirit --
TL
going off again, will check in later
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TRINITY Challenge for JW's, Unitarians and Anyone Else
by UnDisfellowshipped intrinity challenge using only the new world translation of the holy scriptures -- let us debate and reason on the scriptures about whether god almighty is a trinity, or is only one person.. on another thread, bane said that we know for a fact immediately that nearly all religions other than jehovah's witnesses are false because almost all of them believe in the trinity.
and bane claims he can "out-scripturize" anyone with the help of jehovah.
* the son was praying to the father.
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PD:
well, looking nature up in the Blue Book Bible Ref - "nature" it taken from the greek feminine - -two meanings - "genesis" - "genos" - ref G1078 and G1085 -- meanings 1.-one that follows origin 2. ones lineage where progeny is enumerated 3. course of life, descent 4. same kind or nation - Is this what you want?
In that respect it appears of course, since God/Lord created Jesus, Jesus would have to be the same type as his creator.. after all, our children are the same "type" as we are - human, spirit is spirit, and he did "leave what he was" behind when he came to earth as a human.. - I say spirit ---an individual spiritual entity-- working together with God in a single purpose...
Next thought: Psalms and the Creed
Taken from the New Testament - a lot of years between Psalms and Matthew - and then we have Jesus,Paul,James, Luke, etc words on the subject--
-- just finished looking up sooo many references as to where Jesus is residing now that he is back in the heavens -- taken from the New American Bible - 17 scriptures - repetition for emphasis maybe! - that states Jesus is sitting on the right hand of God and the kicker being when Jesus answered the question about the two sons of Zebedee who wanted to sit on his left and right hand in the kigdom ---- Jesus said - this decision was not his to give but the Father has prepared their place in the kingdom... taking the decision out of Jesus' hands.. Matt 20:23... If Jesus and God were one - there would be an agreement on this issue and Jesus would have said, ok they can have those positions... yet he deferred it to his Father...
Need for mediator:
Another good scripture - deals with a mediator.. why do we need a mediator to plead our case if Jesus and Jehovah/YHWH are the same? John 16:23,24,26
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More Society cutbacks - Society says "screw you" to the publishers yet again
by sir82 inat our service meeting it was announced that there is a change in the manner in which magazines are now to be delivered to the congregations.. up until now, magazines were sent to each kingdom hall via ups.
in years past magazines were sent to each congregation po's home address via ups.. going forward, magazines will be sent only as far as the assembly hall.
it is the responsibility of each kingdom hall to send brother(s) twice a month to drive out there, pick up the magazines, and return.. this of course saves a little bit of money for the society - shipping larger packages to fewer addresses will cost less.. however, what about the expense to the local congregations?.
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truthlover
Here, a sister drives for an hour to pick up the mags, books, etc.. for nine congregations - she has a van -- she delivers to 7 and then two members from the remaining two congs will drive in to the last drop and pick theirs up.. or if there is a JW trucking comp in the area, they load the remaining two and drop it at another specific point.. Always been done that way and she is paid gor her gas, etc. by each cong..
Now I think its twice a month only