Posts by truthlover

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Reinstatement-Curent elders please reply

by truthlover in

while being reinstated several months ago -- no restriction were given other than no commenting - service was allowed - getting over the average for the cong, not missing meetings - its been months now and the brother met recently with someof the jc members - they praised his hours and meeting attendance but because his lessons are not completely underlined, and he does make notes during the meeting, he has not been allowed to still make comments and become a fully active member of the congregation as they say this note taking is causing a problem with other members of the congregation.. have you even heard of anything so off the wall?

is this the way its done in most cong??

he thought if someone was interested enough to listen and make notes of a good point in their mags, it would be something to be referred to in the future... i know i have seen folks doing this while the lesson is being read.... .

truthlover

B447 -

You hit the nail on the head with that comment -he is feeling so down now - worked so hard to get back, went thru hell and now this from the loving, kind, epathetic (pathetic) brothers who are to follow Christ's example -- he is ready to move to another cong.. and that would be so sad.. yet I believe he would still have to deal with the elders in this cong before receiving all priviledges back.. and would they smear him there?? I think I would call for another committee to handle the situation, if they were to intefer - or does that have to be done only after dis f??

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Don't leave, its God's organization....

by dissed in

jw
friends

recently, i've been seeing this argument displayed here more frequently by those still believing jw's.. usually in reply to arguments they can not answer well, like 1914, generation(s), etc.... its almost like, they are are having serious doubts as well, but their fall back is, "but its god organization....where else would you go......don't leave, we are so close to the end".

as one recently shared their experience with a jc.

the elders, when feeling trapped on explanations, fell back to this defense.

truthlover

I am in but now question most statements from the platform,be it at the hall or assembly -- I do not discuss anything with anyone anymore - cause I dont know who is going to run to the elders -- shame, isnt it? But as the society says family study -- that to me means research - everything and prayer for guidance, so now I find something that doesnt make sense with the society and since the Wt said the GB and elders and MS are no wiser or anointed with holy spirit than us low rung pubs, I believe in my heart what I think the spirit has told me to believe... I go for the fact I have always loved the Bible, even before the JW's - I guess its just a comfort zone until my feathers get ruffled and then ------

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Reinstatement-Curent elders please reply

by truthlover in

while being reinstated several months ago -- no restriction were given other than no commenting - service was allowed - getting over the average for the cong, not missing meetings - its been months now and the brother met recently with someof the jc members - they praised his hours and meeting attendance but because his lessons are not completely underlined, and he does make notes during the meeting, he has not been allowed to still make comments and become a fully active member of the congregation as they say this note taking is causing a problem with other members of the congregation.. have you even heard of anything so off the wall?

is this the way its done in most cong??

he thought if someone was interested enough to listen and make notes of a good point in their mags, it would be something to be referred to in the future... i know i have seen folks doing this while the lesson is being read.... .

truthlover

Weana_ would it make any difference if the reinstated one was a male or female s regards treatment of this kind? I know mikes and public prayers would not entere into it, but ust curious..

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Reinstatement-Curent elders please reply

by truthlover in

while being reinstated several months ago -- no restriction were given other than no commenting - service was allowed - getting over the average for the cong, not missing meetings - its been months now and the brother met recently with someof the jc members - they praised his hours and meeting attendance but because his lessons are not completely underlined, and he does make notes during the meeting, he has not been allowed to still make comments and become a fully active member of the congregation as they say this note taking is causing a problem with other members of the congregation.. have you even heard of anything so off the wall?

is this the way its done in most cong??

he thought if someone was interested enough to listen and make notes of a good point in their mags, it would be something to be referred to in the future... i know i have seen folks doing this while the lesson is being read.... .

truthlover

CL -- the strange thing is that most of the lesson is done but sometimes a good point is made and tagged or noted for future reference and they are taking it as not pre studying the lesson

I know I do it, as do others in the cong.. so I am just trying to dig into the reason why it would even be mentioned.. I think JW is on the right trail...

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Reinstatement-Curent elders please reply

by truthlover in

while being reinstated several months ago -- no restriction were given other than no commenting - service was allowed - getting over the average for the cong, not missing meetings - its been months now and the brother met recently with someof the jc members - they praised his hours and meeting attendance but because his lessons are not completely underlined, and he does make notes during the meeting, he has not been allowed to still make comments and become a fully active member of the congregation as they say this note taking is causing a problem with other members of the congregation.. have you even heard of anything so off the wall?

is this the way its done in most cong??

he thought if someone was interested enough to listen and make notes of a good point in their mags, it would be something to be referred to in the future... i know i have seen folks doing this while the lesson is being read.... .

truthlover

Thanks Weana , good info too - I will pass the info on to him that this is indeed a strange reason, seeing that you did bring out that even visitors can make comments, as well as unbaptized persons - could be something for them to chew on ..

Patience is indeed a virtue - but when one is trying so hard, it is taxing to say the least and sometimes he has gone over the top in presenting his case

thanks again

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Reinstatement-Curent elders please reply

by truthlover in

while being reinstated several months ago -- no restriction were given other than no commenting - service was allowed - getting over the average for the cong, not missing meetings - its been months now and the brother met recently with someof the jc members - they praised his hours and meeting attendance but because his lessons are not completely underlined, and he does make notes during the meeting, he has not been allowed to still make comments and become a fully active member of the congregation as they say this note taking is causing a problem with other members of the congregation.. have you even heard of anything so off the wall?

is this the way its done in most cong??

he thought if someone was interested enough to listen and make notes of a good point in their mags, it would be something to be referred to in the future... i know i have seen folks doing this while the lesson is being read.... .

truthlover

JW- what about the underlining issue? ever head of that??

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Reinstatement-Curent elders please reply

by truthlover in

while being reinstated several months ago -- no restriction were given other than no commenting - service was allowed - getting over the average for the cong, not missing meetings - its been months now and the brother met recently with someof the jc members - they praised his hours and meeting attendance but because his lessons are not completely underlined, and he does make notes during the meeting, he has not been allowed to still make comments and become a fully active member of the congregation as they say this note taking is causing a problem with other members of the congregation.. have you even heard of anything so off the wall?

is this the way its done in most cong??

he thought if someone was interested enough to listen and make notes of a good point in their mags, it would be something to be referred to in the future... i know i have seen folks doing this while the lesson is being read.... .

truthlover

Thanks JW - but its not that easy - his family is involved in the cong too and can it get serious -=dont want to lose them

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Reinstatement-Curent elders please reply

by truthlover in

while being reinstated several months ago -- no restriction were given other than no commenting - service was allowed - getting over the average for the cong, not missing meetings - its been months now and the brother met recently with someof the jc members - they praised his hours and meeting attendance but because his lessons are not completely underlined, and he does make notes during the meeting, he has not been allowed to still make comments and become a fully active member of the congregation as they say this note taking is causing a problem with other members of the congregation.. have you even heard of anything so off the wall?

is this the way its done in most cong??

he thought if someone was interested enough to listen and make notes of a good point in their mags, it would be something to be referred to in the future... i know i have seen folks doing this while the lesson is being read.... .

truthlover

Doesn't make sense to me either.. he is very despondent and they will not give any lee way... one in particular is adamant

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Reinstatement-Curent elders please reply

by truthlover in

while being reinstated several months ago -- no restriction were given other than no commenting - service was allowed - getting over the average for the cong, not missing meetings - its been months now and the brother met recently with someof the jc members - they praised his hours and meeting attendance but because his lessons are not completely underlined, and he does make notes during the meeting, he has not been allowed to still make comments and become a fully active member of the congregation as they say this note taking is causing a problem with other members of the congregation.. have you even heard of anything so off the wall?

is this the way its done in most cong??

he thought if someone was interested enough to listen and make notes of a good point in their mags, it would be something to be referred to in the future... i know i have seen folks doing this while the lesson is being read.... .

truthlover

while being reinstated several months ago -- no restriction were given other than no commenting - service was allowed - getting over the average for the cong, not missing meetings - its been months now and the brother met recently with someof the JC members - they praised his hours and meeting attendance But because his lessons are not completely underlined, and he does make notes during the meeting, he has not been allowed to still make comments and become a fully active member of the congregation as they say this note taking is causing a problem with other members of the congregation.. have you even heard of anything so off the wall? IS this the way its done in most cong?? He thought if someone was interested enough to listen and make notes of a good point in their mags, it would be something to be referred to in the future..

I know I have seen folks doing this while the lesson is being read...

I personally think this a is moot point - who doesnt make notes or underline a point that may have been overlooked while studying- but should this hold one back from full reinstatment

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TRINITY Challenge for JW's, Unitarians and Anyone Else

by UnDisfellowshipped in

trinity challenge using only the new world translation of the holy scriptures -- let us debate and reason on the scriptures about whether god almighty is a trinity, or is only one person.. on another thread, bane said that we know for a fact immediately that nearly all religions other than jehovah's witnesses are false because almost all of them believe in the trinity.

and bane claims he can "out-scripturize" anyone with the help of jehovah.

* the son was praying to the father.

truthlover

Sorry PD -- left the site for a while

ok - yes - I did miss your question of how did he raise his body...

So I read somewhere that "the spirit goes out, it goes back to the God who gave it".... (Ecc 12:7)so the simplest answer would be that Jesus was no longer in the tomb/ body, but had returned to heaven with his Father upon his expiring.. consequently he was able to raise up that fleshly body - no problem there

Have to disagree on the nature aspect -- the meaning in greek indicates a "kind" now we know that God is a spirit and those who worship him do so in spirit and truth so again, when Jesus was created, he too was a spirit, it had nothing to do with god, as such.. you are speaking of Jesus as being the first creation , being god or a god-- so are you saying that Satan is a god also? since he was made by Jehovah/Yhwh??

and to go a little further, what about the angels, are they not "spirits" sent forth to do Yhwh's will?? They are not gods,but powerful spirit creatures...

"Nature",kind,spirit --

TL

going off again, will check in later