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Long term effects of Armageddon images

by Lady Lee in

someone i know is having a hard time with anxiety attacks.

she hasn't been a jw since a teen.

recently she has started seeing a therapist.

truthlover

LL:

I have talked numerous times with our son on this subject and feel so guilty that this is my fault that he is in such a state.. but he "counsels" me that he has to get thru this and he does, most of the time now, but is still under a MD's guidance and he is looking to naturopaths, etc. to help him to understand why his body is doing what it is doing -- - he is working around it to some degree, but it always, always comes up somehow in our conversations which are on a regular basis.. I truly believe his next stop is the phsychiatrists couch...over the years he has become an ardent reader, still believes that God is good and that Jesus is the only way, and there are good people in the truth, just doesnt want anything to do with it. Cant blame him there, we all have to stand before the judgement seat and God will be the final judge of all our heart conditions..

Good your children arent manifesting any recurrent illnesses because of the "indoctrination"

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Long term effects of Armageddon images

by Lady Lee in

someone i know is having a hard time with anxiety attacks.

she hasn't been a jw since a teen.

recently she has started seeing a therapist.

truthlover

I too have a son who believes he has PTSD from the images he saw and heard at the hall. He envisions terrible things and still in his 40's, has nightmares.

Needless to say his life experiences didnt help him to have more faith, in all, it turned him from his faith and now suffers from a myriad of problems I feel, were caused by those images -- IBS, chronic fatigue, racing heart, -- stressors -- he is and was a very sympathetic person, and cant stand to see anyone mistreated, child, woman, dog, etc... he has a good heart and wants to help folks but cant seem to shake this traumatic part of his life...

Now looking at most religions, they too have their shock values - burning in hell for eternity, another life an an insect, etc.I dont think they put as much emphasis on death and total destruction as the WTBT$... Unfortunately, we brought him up in the truth, thinking we were doing the right thing, and all he can see is what was learned at an early age. A lot of kids can take it, a lot of others cannot and its wise on a parents part to understand and know that this is a terrible gift for someone to have to visit in the night on a regular basis. I guess by that statement, I wasnt doing a good job of protecting him..I can see that now but then thought we were one of the priviledged few million that would make it...how times have changed

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Mary and the Memorial-- Comments Please

by truthlover in

does anyone think its strange that if those faithful ones i.e.

mary magdalene, mary, mother of jesus, lazarus, martha, etc.

were to die following jesus' death, that they should have been included in the emblem taking since his death opened up the way for those" members of the 144,000" and they were his closest associates, next to the 12 - one of whom was a traitor?

truthlover

Does anyone think its strange that if those faithful ones i.e. Mary Magdalene, Mary, mother of Jesus, Lazarus, Martha, etc. were to die following Jesus' death, that they should have been included in the emblem taking since his death opened up the way for those" members of the 144,000" and they were his closest associates, next to the 12 - one of whom was a traitor? Why was it only the twelve? Because of the 12 tribes...

I must have missed something in my studies

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Jude and 1 Enoch

by Leolaia in

use of 1 enoch elsewhere in jude.

jude 4 = 1 enoch 48:8-10, 81:1-2, 108:6-7 .

jude 6 = 1 enoch 10:4-12, 12:4, 15:3-7 .

truthlover

Leolaia:

What an interesting person you are... have read a lot of your posts and they are full of information -- thank you for the above, will look into it - this info gives a new light on scripture!

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Need your comments on Luke 20:34,35

by truthlover in

dealing with the seven brothers and the one wife - jesus said, they will be as the angels, and cannot die anymore so my ??

is if they are not going to heaven and will stay on the earth as "eunuchs" are they "princes" since they cannot die anymore and arent supposed to go to heaven, so sayeth the wtb$??

and if the mate goes thru armageddon , apparently they will not live as husb and wife anymore ... any one out there with some insight on this?

truthlover

Narkissos:

I double checked - the one I have is "The Septuagint with Apocrypha: Greek and English by Sir Lancelot C.L.Brenton and in it it says:

"From the 4th century and onward, we know of no definite attempt to revise the text of the Septuagint, or to correct the discrepancies of various copies. It is probable, however, that just as the text of the Greek New testament became in a great measure fixed into the same form, as we find it in the modern copies,something of the same kind must have been the case of the Septuagint. As to the Greek New Testament, this seems to have occurred about the eleventh century, when the mass of copies were written within the limits of the patriarchate of Constantinople."

So I guess its out there, now to find it

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Need your comments on Luke 20:34,35

by truthlover in

dealing with the seven brothers and the one wife - jesus said, they will be as the angels, and cannot die anymore so my ??

is if they are not going to heaven and will stay on the earth as "eunuchs" are they "princes" since they cannot die anymore and arent supposed to go to heaven, so sayeth the wtb$??

and if the mate goes thru armageddon , apparently they will not live as husb and wife anymore ... any one out there with some insight on this?

truthlover

Oompa -- hey it was one woman with the 7 brothers -- how does that sound to you? She was the lucky one...

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Need your comments on Luke 20:34,35

by truthlover in

dealing with the seven brothers and the one wife - jesus said, they will be as the angels, and cannot die anymore so my ??

is if they are not going to heaven and will stay on the earth as "eunuchs" are they "princes" since they cannot die anymore and arent supposed to go to heaven, so sayeth the wtb$??

and if the mate goes thru armageddon , apparently they will not live as husb and wife anymore ... any one out there with some insight on this?

truthlover

Oompa -- sounds like you are wishing -- in your posts you say you have a great wife -- I dont think she would want you to have any side action!

Me a concubine - never thought of that one.. I dont think so - not built for it

Narkissos-like your interjections, makes sense - comes down to it, we really dont know - I will be checking it out in the NT Greek to see what play on wording there is, I just checked with Blue Letter Bible.com for this particular scripture and one translation said " marriage is for the earth".... The greek Interlinear intro that is right now on my kitchen table states that many changes were made from original texts that were written in Hebrew so I guess when it comes down to it, do we know exactly what was meant after so many translated the scriptures? Jesus may have spoken more on this subject but until we get there, if we do or I should say, I do, I guess we will know... its a quandry thats for sure

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Need your comments on Luke 20:34,35

by truthlover in

dealing with the seven brothers and the one wife - jesus said, they will be as the angels, and cannot die anymore so my ??

is if they are not going to heaven and will stay on the earth as "eunuchs" are they "princes" since they cannot die anymore and arent supposed to go to heaven, so sayeth the wtb$??

and if the mate goes thru armageddon , apparently they will not live as husb and wife anymore ... any one out there with some insight on this?

truthlover

Morbizbaby:

I have to admit I kinda laughed at your response, cause its right on but your flowery language hit me funny..

I am not in a position to know your situation but I wish you the best in life - looks like you r a newbie -- hi - I havent been on too long myself

Its your life and you have to have that personal relationship with God and pray things will get better, if not, make the best move for the kids and yourself - life is funny, things eventually work out... sometimes its a long, hard process.. and even tho I have a lot of questions on this scripture, my husband just died recently and this scripture is bothering me somewhat as we did have a great marriage

I know that I can wait to see what will happen in the new system - he will open his hand and satisfy the desire of every living thing - I guess until we get there, we wont know how extensive this scripture is

All the best

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Marriage in the Resurrection

by Wicaugen in

i asked my jw friend (who is my best friend, and i hers, long story, don't ask how it's possible) a question about matthew 22:23. actually, i asked her the same question the sadducces asked jesus.. long story short, she couldn't really answer me, but asked a couple follow up questions.

so, i have a question for you guys, since she wasn't really sure.

does the watchtower still teach that people will be married after the resurrection if they are part of the great crowd?.

truthlover

I also have a question on this running at Luke 20 - see my info on this one, which isnt much at this point, but its funny it is running at the same time your question is running..

I know what the WT says but if a husband or wife dies and the living partner does not want to remarry but maybe hold on for the new system in hopes they will see the loved one again, so be it.. however the question I have is they cannot die anymore - they are immortal, if they live by Gods new guidelines therefore when do they become as angels?? Before the 1,000 yr reign or after? Before the final test or after? We are told that the resurrection will begin probably a few hundred years after the Gt Tribulation - if thats the case, it says those resurrected will be as the angels, neither marry not be given in marriage so that means they will be like the angels before the final test... right or wrong? There will be a resurrection of both righteous and unrightious - at what point are they declared immortal?

If they are like the angels, they are sexless - are they just workers in the new system? I know there are no further info on the Bible but thinking about this subject seems to indicate it first looked like it pertained to the 144,000, now it is referenced to those on the earth..

and yes, if the married partners go thru., the WT says they will be the ones blessed to have children -- until when??? who knows... no info on this point

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Need your comments on Luke 20:34,35

by truthlover in

dealing with the seven brothers and the one wife - jesus said, they will be as the angels, and cannot die anymore so my ??

is if they are not going to heaven and will stay on the earth as "eunuchs" are they "princes" since they cannot die anymore and arent supposed to go to heaven, so sayeth the wtb$??

and if the mate goes thru armageddon , apparently they will not live as husb and wife anymore ... any one out there with some insight on this?

truthlover

Thanks Narkissos, I just lost my mate and this got me to thinking of this scripture..

Blondie - I guess my point is that some on the board get into the Greek, Hebrew, etc. and I was wondering if there is another rendering of these scriptures to throw in any different perspective.. True, God can erase anyone at any time, He has the power and will do so for those who do not follow the new guidelines, yet those who do "make it" have the honor of immortality on the earth. This then begs the question, are they immortal before the end of the 1,000 year reign and will they need to be tested if they can no longer die? I guess it depends on WHEN they become as angels and cannot die..

Palmtree 67 - looks like we r in the same boat