Posts by hooberus

Actually one of them (the James passage) is widely acknowledged as genuine. The other is disputed however, many historians accept at least parts of it as genuine.

The 2nd-century Roman authors actually do nothing more than echoing contemporary Christian beliefs and legends -- they are secondary to the Christian Jesus stories (if not to the written Gospels).

This is a liberal claim. However, there is nothing in the text of the Roman historian Tacitus (Ad 115 Annals 15.44. ) to indicate anything other than an actual historical Roman related (Pilate) event being recorded. "But not all the relief that could come from man, not all the bounties that the prince could bestow, nor all the atonements which could be presented to the gods, availed to relieve Nero from the infamy of being believed to have ordered the conflagration, the fire of Rome. Hence to suppress the rumor, he falsely charged with the guilt, and punished Christians, who were hated for their enormities. Christus, the founder of the name, was put to death by Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea in the reign of Tiberius: but the pernicious superstition, repressed for a time broke out again, not only through Judea, where the mischief originated, but through the city of Rome also, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their center and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind."

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Flood/Bristlecone Pine: For bible believers: please answer

by skyman in

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using overlapping tree ring patterns from dead and still living bristlecone pines shows a 100% provable climate for california for over 10,000 years thus proving the the great flood did not happen as far back as 10,000 years ago.. www.americanforests.org/productsandpubs/ magazine/archives/2004winter/feature1_1.php - 19k.

www.unmuseum.org/radiocar.htm - 8k

hooberus

I would prefer a man be able to study a subject and then give an understandable answer on the topic.

Really Moshe?- So then perhaps you should also do the above-rather than post replies as you did above.

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Flood/Bristlecone Pine: For bible believers: please answer

by skyman in

jw
friends

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using overlapping tree ring patterns from dead and still living bristlecone pines shows a 100% provable climate for california for over 10,000 years thus proving the the great flood did not happen as far back as 10,000 years ago.. www.americanforests.org/productsandpubs/ magazine/archives/2004winter/feature1_1.php - 19k.

www.unmuseum.org/radiocar.htm - 8k

hooberus

Therefore, they say,
"I must find evidence to show that science is wrong in those areas bearing on my religion. To the extent that I fail to do that, I must suppress science. Finally, if I cannot do either of these things, I may need to become militant to preserve what I believe I need in order to carry on with my life."

We find evidence for this reaction here, in the forum as well as across the entire world. Only recently have the philosophical implications of science become well known to enough people in all major cultures for the leaders of these cultures to realize what is at stake.

Your above comments could possibly apply to some of the materialists here as well.

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This may be my last postso goodbye and thanks

by seven006 in

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i never thought i would do one of those infamous goodbye i cant take this board anymore posts where the person shows up again a week later and looks like an idiot.

when i had enough of this board and needed a little break i would just quietly leave for a few months and hopefully nobody noticed.

that is not the case this time.

hooberus

I wish you well and will pray for you.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/74945/1.ashx

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Please help! Child custody

by Cindyrenee in

i am looking for the book the sociey gives to help witnesses with custody cases.

found one link, but could not get it to download.

thank you so very much.

hooberus

You might wish to personally contact Duane Magnani. He is a specialist and consultant on WT custody issues for families, and has also written a book on the subject. http://www.witnessinc.com

Here is the book: (http://www.witnessinc.com/ordering_materials.html see #988)

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Flood/Bristlecone Pine: For bible believers: please answer

by skyman in

jw
friends

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using overlapping tree ring patterns from dead and still living bristlecone pines shows a 100% provable climate for california for over 10,000 years thus proving the the great flood did not happen as far back as 10,000 years ago.. www.americanforests.org/productsandpubs/ magazine/archives/2004winter/feature1_1.php - 19k.

www.unmuseum.org/radiocar.htm - 8k

hooberus

Please keep in mind what Hoob presents is considered pseuoscience that has not been properly peer reviewed.

What makes what I presented "pseudoscience" and what is your criteria of being "properly peer reviewed"?

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Christians - Do you believe the flood occurred?

by AlmostAtheist in

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when i was a bible believer, i accepted the flood.

the frozen mammoths and seashells on mountaintops were "evidence", but the only needed proof was simply that the bible said so.

as a christian, do you believe the flood story?.

hooberus

and who went to all the trouble of scrubbing the water marks from that nasty global deluge off of the great pyramids?

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v26/i4/pyramids.asp

http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v17/i3/sothic_theory.asp

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Christians - Do you believe the flood occurred?

by AlmostAtheist in

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friends

when i was a bible believer, i accepted the flood.

the frozen mammoths and seashells on mountaintops were "evidence", but the only needed proof was simply that the bible said so.

as a christian, do you believe the flood story?.

hooberus

The first Jesuit missionary priests to China (circa 1650) were just about laughed out of town because of their "bible" chronology - the Chinese had historical records showing their great civilization going way back before the accepted date for the flood.
For example, their first emperor, Fu Hsi, was recorded to have begun his rule in 2952 B.C. which is about 600 years before the Hebrew date for the flood.

http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=600

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Flood/Bristlecone Pine: For bible believers: please answer

by skyman in

jw
friends

.

using overlapping tree ring patterns from dead and still living bristlecone pines shows a 100% provable climate for california for over 10,000 years thus proving the the great flood did not happen as far back as 10,000 years ago.. www.americanforests.org/productsandpubs/ magazine/archives/2004winter/feature1_1.php - 19k.

www.unmuseum.org/radiocar.htm - 8k

hooberus

Here are some creationist resources that may be helpful:

"Collapsing the Long Bristlecone Pine Tree Ring Chronologies, J. Woodmorappe" available from http://www.csfpittsburgh.org/icc03.htm
"Radiocarbon, Dendrochronology and the Date of the Flood -Aardsma." available from http://www.csfpittsburgh.org/icc90.html