Posts by hooberus

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Jesus = Ancient Pagan gods??

by Lilycurly in

i'm reading a book and this morning i got to a part where it claimed that the life of jesus was very similar, if no downright copied on ancient pagan myths of different men-gods.

(amongst them osiris, dionysos, attis, adonis, bacchus and mithra.).

it said that in the different versions of the stories these elements could be found:.

hooberus

hooberus
I suspect that the most truth lies somewhere in between. A parallel does not necessarily have to equal the other item but just bear a number of similar qualities.

A parallel doesn't have to be exact to be a parallel- however, it should be parallel enough to substantiate the claims made regarding it. The "Christ mythers" not only claim parallels but actual borrowing. The so-called "parallels" offered by them are either usually are not very parallel all (relying on equivocation in terminology), come from post-christian sources, lack primary source documentation, etc.

There is a formula that is invoked in many, many mythologies involving birth, death and rebirth. The cycle in the Horus mythology parallels that of the Jesus mythology.

Response to the alleged parallels between Horus and Jesus. http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/osy.html

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Jesus = Ancient Pagan gods??

by Lilycurly in

i'm reading a book and this morning i got to a part where it claimed that the life of jesus was very similar, if no downright copied on ancient pagan myths of different men-gods.

(amongst them osiris, dionysos, attis, adonis, bacchus and mithra.).

it said that in the different versions of the stories these elements could be found:.

hooberus

I'm reading a book and this morning I got to a part where it claimed that the life of Jesus was very similar, if no downright copied on ancient pagan myths of different men-gods. (Amongst them Osiris, Dionysos, Attis, Adonis, Bacchus and Mithra.)

The problem with these so called "copied" "parallels" is that:

1. They frequently are really non-parallel and only become seemingly "parallel" by the use of equivocation in terminiology (such as defining death by an arrow as "crucifixion", etc.).

2. The frequent use of post-christian pagan sources.

3. The use of completely unsubstantied/undocumented claims.

4. The fallacy that similarities must have come from dependance.

5. Ignoring or dismissing (without valid merit) the substantial historical evidence for the existence and life of Jesus Christ (for example the crucifixion under Pilate is documented in several extra-bibilcal and secular sources as well as multiple biblical authors.).

http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/copycathub.html

http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/Jesuschrist.asp

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Trinity pamphlet, - a response & research

by Kristofer in

i'm not sure how much of this is old news to y'all but after being handed this literature, i was trying to find evidence on the ante-nicene fathers it quotes in this pamphlet.

i figured, if early christians didn't believe in it, then, to me anyway, the doctrine held some water.

i stumbled upon this essay by eric francke which is a direct response to the pamphlet and very well written in my opinion.

hooberus

The following has some citation quote information regarding the society brochure:

http://www.gospeldefense.org/pdfs/a004.pdf

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When was genesis compiled?

by IP_SEC in

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the book is probably a compilation of folk stories, several different hebrew traditions, and adaptations of the legends of neighboring societies.

around what year was genesis probably compiled?.

hooberus

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v20/i4/moses.asp

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Was Jesus a historical person?

by sentry35 in

jw
friends

i have looked everywhere to find the historicity of jesus.

he only appears in the bible.

the gospels were all written some 40yrs.

hooberus

http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/Jesuschrist.asp

http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexist/jesusexisthub.html

http://www.christian-thinktank.com/jrthal.html

http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/copycathub.html

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Was Jesus a historical person?

by sentry35 in

jw
friends

i have looked everywhere to find the historicity of jesus.

he only appears in the bible.

the gospels were all written some 40yrs.

hooberus

Josephus' passages about Jesus are widely acknowledged as later Christian interpolations into his text.

Actually one of them (the James passage) is widely acknowledged as genuine. The other is disputed however, many historians accept at least parts of it as genuine.

The 2nd-century Roman authors actually do nothing more than echoing contemporary Christian beliefs and legends -- they are secondary to the Christian Jesus stories (if not to the written Gospels).

This is a liberal claim. However, there is nothing in the text of the Roman historian Tacitus (Ad 115 Annals 15.44. ) to indicate anything other than an actual historical Roman related (Pilate) event being recorded. "But not all the relief that could come from man, not all the bounties that the prince could bestow, nor all the atonements which could be presented to the gods, availed to relieve Nero from the infamy of being believed to have ordered the conflagration, the fire of Rome. Hence to suppress the rumor, he falsely charged with the guilt, and punished Christians, who were hated for their enormities. Christus, the founder of the name, was put to death by Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea in the reign of Tiberius: but the pernicious superstition, repressed for a time broke out again, not only through Judea, where the mischief originated, but through the city of Rome also, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their center and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind."

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Flood/Bristlecone Pine: For bible believers: please answer

by skyman in

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friends

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using overlapping tree ring patterns from dead and still living bristlecone pines shows a 100% provable climate for california for over 10,000 years thus proving the the great flood did not happen as far back as 10,000 years ago.. www.americanforests.org/productsandpubs/ magazine/archives/2004winter/feature1_1.php - 19k.

www.unmuseum.org/radiocar.htm - 8k

hooberus

I would prefer a man be able to study a subject and then give an understandable answer on the topic.

Really Moshe?- So then perhaps you should also do the above-rather than post replies as you did above.

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Flood/Bristlecone Pine: For bible believers: please answer

by skyman in

jw
friends

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using overlapping tree ring patterns from dead and still living bristlecone pines shows a 100% provable climate for california for over 10,000 years thus proving the the great flood did not happen as far back as 10,000 years ago.. www.americanforests.org/productsandpubs/ magazine/archives/2004winter/feature1_1.php - 19k.

www.unmuseum.org/radiocar.htm - 8k

hooberus

Therefore, they say,
"I must find evidence to show that science is wrong in those areas bearing on my religion. To the extent that I fail to do that, I must suppress science. Finally, if I cannot do either of these things, I may need to become militant to preserve what I believe I need in order to carry on with my life."

We find evidence for this reaction here, in the forum as well as across the entire world. Only recently have the philosophical implications of science become well known to enough people in all major cultures for the leaders of these cultures to realize what is at stake.

Your above comments could possibly apply to some of the materialists here as well.

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This may be my last postso goodbye and thanks

by seven006 in

jw
friends

i never thought i would do one of those infamous goodbye i cant take this board anymore posts where the person shows up again a week later and looks like an idiot.

when i had enough of this board and needed a little break i would just quietly leave for a few months and hopefully nobody noticed.

that is not the case this time.

hooberus

I wish you well and will pray for you.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/74945/1.ashx

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Please help! Child custody

by Cindyrenee in

i am looking for the book the sociey gives to help witnesses with custody cases.

found one link, but could not get it to download.

thank you so very much.

hooberus

You might wish to personally contact Duane Magnani. He is a specialist and consultant on WT custody issues for families, and has also written a book on the subject. http://www.witnessinc.com

Here is the book: (http://www.witnessinc.com/ordering_materials.html see #988)