Posts by hooberus

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The Origin-of-Life Foundation, Inc. The Secret $1,000,000 Prize

by Deputy Dog in

from http://www.scienceagainstevolution.org/v9i11f.htm

the secret $1,000,000 prize

one of the best kept secrets of science is the origin of life prize sponsored by the origin of life foundation, inc. when we first ran across their web site (www.lifeorigin.org), we thought that the offer of one million dollars to anyone who could propose a plausible theory for the origin of life was just a slick creationist trick for showing that the emperor had no clothes.

hooberus

hooberus

Any insights on the process of abiogodesis yet?

Abaddon seems to be saying that before Bibilcal creationists can criticize abiogenesis (a suposedly scientific theory that should be subject to scientific scrutiny on its own merits) that creationists should be required to first come up with an alternate theory for something that we don't even believe in (that is "abiogogesis").

Or do you use special pleading to avoid responding to a request for your theory of how god arrose?

Since I don't believe that "god arrose" I have no "theory" on it.

You could always use a quote from a website that confuses people with bad science and make them think Creationism is credible, all the while running a nice profit to swell the pockets of its Executive Officers with twice the salary of a comparable charitable institution. Or make excuses why you haven't refuted falsifications of Biblical chronolgy that show the Flood or Creation could not be literal accounts. Or blame wicked godless scientists for a cover-up?

Consider my breath baited...

Re: dialogue on these issues with Abaddon:
As he was previously told I intend to discontinue all further discussions with him regarding his accusations against myself and the sources I use as several more than sufficient responses have been given and I see no need to take any more time.
For previous dialogues interested readers are encouraged to read the following dialogues as well as the numerous referenced links:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/106111/3.ashx

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The Origin-of-Life Foundation, Inc. The Secret $1,000,000 Prize

by Deputy Dog in

from http://www.scienceagainstevolution.org/v9i11f.htm

the secret $1,000,000 prize

one of the best kept secrets of science is the origin of life prize sponsored by the origin of life foundation, inc. when we first ran across their web site (www.lifeorigin.org), we thought that the offer of one million dollars to anyone who could propose a plausible theory for the origin of life was just a slick creationist trick for showing that the emperor had no clothes.

hooberus

How does the presumed unlikelihood of abiogenesis here on Earth automatically translate into a confirmation of life being directly created by the personal god of the bible? Why overlook the possibility of having the right conditions elsewhere in the universe for life to arise naturally? At least there's some tangible evidence for that option. Bacteria have been shown to survive the vacuum of space and several organic precursors utilized by life as we know it has been detected in our nearby vicinity of outer space.

Midget, Many of the the problems (chemical and mathematical) still remain for abiogenesis even if the possibility of numerous other locations in the universe are taken into account. The presence of some very simple organic precursers in space helps very little, since the main problems involve other things (such as assembly, functional sequencing, etc, etc.).

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The Origin-of-Life Foundation, Inc. The Secret $1,000,000 Prize

by Deputy Dog in

from http://www.scienceagainstevolution.org/v9i11f.htm

the secret $1,000,000 prize

one of the best kept secrets of science is the origin of life prize sponsored by the origin of life foundation, inc. when we first ran across their web site (www.lifeorigin.org), we thought that the offer of one million dollars to anyone who could propose a plausible theory for the origin of life was just a slick creationist trick for showing that the emperor had no clothes.

hooberus

Hoob,

"The origin of life was necessarily the beginning of organic evolution and it is among the greatest of all evolutionary problems." - opening sentence chapter 2 "The Meaning of evolution" 1949 George Gaylord Simpson
Evolution doesn't work without life. Without reproducing systems, there can be no such thing as evolution. . . .

Apparently Simpson disagreed.

Anyway, as I have stated before there are many diffent ways of defining evolution (I have listed several-including technical ones- in previous threads), and some evolutionists themselves have included the origin of life in it.

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The Origin-of-Life Foundation, Inc. The Secret $1,000,000 Prize

by Deputy Dog in

from http://www.scienceagainstevolution.org/v9i11f.htm

the secret $1,000,000 prize

one of the best kept secrets of science is the origin of life prize sponsored by the origin of life foundation, inc. when we first ran across their web site (www.lifeorigin.org), we thought that the offer of one million dollars to anyone who could propose a plausible theory for the origin of life was just a slick creationist trick for showing that the emperor had no clothes.

hooberus

Ha Ha...Hooberus, such a short time that I have been here and already I chuckle when you post...

Everybody, Hooberus stalks this message board in search of former JW's that are new to their freedom so he can attempt to convert them to his own personal faith...he has never been a JW, and he is apparently quite fond of threads that have to do with something related to science as he probably fancies himself to be "science minded" and isnt quite bright enough to realize that if he wants to believe the bible he should just explain everything with a statement along the lines of "it's a miracle, God did it. Thank you Lord, now how can I conform myself to your bullshit?

Thread referred to moderator.

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The Origin-of-Life Foundation, Inc. The Secret $1,000,000 Prize

by Deputy Dog in

from http://www.scienceagainstevolution.org/v9i11f.htm

the secret $1,000,000 prize

one of the best kept secrets of science is the origin of life prize sponsored by the origin of life foundation, inc. when we first ran across their web site (www.lifeorigin.org), we thought that the offer of one million dollars to anyone who could propose a plausible theory for the origin of life was just a slick creationist trick for showing that the emperor had no clothes.

hooberus

Before moving on I would like to clarify that the Origin of Life Prize is actually different from the Harvard research Initiative (previous comments edited).

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The Origin-of-Life Foundation, Inc. The Secret $1,000,000 Prize

by Deputy Dog in

from http://www.scienceagainstevolution.org/v9i11f.htm

the secret $1,000,000 prize

one of the best kept secrets of science is the origin of life prize sponsored by the origin of life foundation, inc. when we first ran across their web site (www.lifeorigin.org), we thought that the offer of one million dollars to anyone who could propose a plausible theory for the origin of life was just a slick creationist trick for showing that the emperor had no clothes.

hooberus

Abiogenesis is not equal to evolution
SNG

It should be noted that while today many evolutionists exclude the origin of life from "evolution" the fact also remains that even some evolutionists themselves have included it-including the prominent George Gaylord Simpson who wrote:

"The origin of life was necessarily the beginning of organic evolution and it is among the greatest of all evolutionary problems." - opening sentence chapter 2 "The Meaning of evolution" 1949 George Gaylord Simpson

Furthermore even dedicated recent "evolution" books frequently start with abiogenesis and then transition into other aspects of evolution with no demarcation.

(The fact is that "evolution" can be defined in many different ways from the minimalist "any change in alle frequencies" to possibly also include things such as universal common ancestry, amphibians descending from fish, humans descending from ancient apes, even to the origin of life itself.) I believe that one of the reasons for the insistence by many evolutionists today that it must be "excluded" by definition is really in response to the scientific difficulties that have been revealed, and not to any empirical necessity that it be excluded.

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The Origin-of-Life Foundation, Inc. The Secret $1,000,000 Prize

by Deputy Dog in

from http://www.scienceagainstevolution.org/v9i11f.htm

the secret $1,000,000 prize

one of the best kept secrets of science is the origin of life prize sponsored by the origin of life foundation, inc. when we first ran across their web site (www.lifeorigin.org), we thought that the offer of one million dollars to anyone who could propose a plausible theory for the origin of life was just a slick creationist trick for showing that the emperor had no clothes.

hooberus

There are still some points here that reflect the many, real, severe problems facing abiogenesis. There are references in this project to work by ID scientists and concepts. Persons may do well to read or scan the whole study site. http://lifeorigin.org/rul_desc.htm Some of the 200 judges are even prominent evolutionary origin of life persons http://lifeorigin.org/rul_judg.htm, however the board of directors aren't and some evolutionists may dispute the guidelines.

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HAS AN EVOLUTIONARY LINK BEEN DISCOVERED?

by badboy in

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friends

scientists have claimed to have found the missing link between fish and land animals on ellesmere island ,canada.

hooberus

Re: comments by Abaddon. Responses to numerous false accusations by Abaddon regarding myself and the sources that I use can be found on the following thread http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/106111/3.ashx and its accompanying links as well as the statement to him that: "Finally, I hope to discontinue all further discussions with you regarding your accusations against myself and the sources I use as several more than sufficient responses have been given and I see no need to take any more time."

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HAS AN EVOLUTIONARY LINK BEEN DISCOVERED?

by badboy in

jw
friends

scientists have claimed to have found the missing link between fish and land animals on ellesmere island ,canada.

hooberus

Hooberus,

I see you have revisited this thread multiple times since I last posted my response to the AnswersInGenesis link that you posted. I had looked forward to your reply to the points that I made regarding the problem with those links. This would be a good opportunity for you to show FunkyDerek, and others, that you actually know what you are talking about and are interested in the actual truth...not maintaining a belief that you already hold.

Slacker, I already have hundreds of posts on creation/evolution subjects on this forum, and thus I see no need "to show FunkyDerek, and others," that I "actually know what" I am "talking about and are interested in the actual truth" etc.

As far as your comments regarding one of the links that I posted, it appears that there may be an ongoing dispute over the issue of the mechanism for the nylon degradation, as well as its relevance regarding neo-darwinian evolutionism. I would recommend that you consider writing a letter to Dr. Batten if you are interested in a specific resonse regarding Musgrave's and other's technical points on this specific issue. However, I will comment on your main point which seems to be the issue of the addition of new genetic information by mutation and creationist claims reagarding this. You state: "This new bacteria literally has a different amino acid sequence, as opposed to its ancestor, and this is strictly due to the additional genetic information contained within the bacteria, something every creationist website spends their entire existence saying doesnt happen. " I think that if you will read in detail you will find that creationist websites do not necessarily deny the possibility of the addition of new genetic information ever being added by mutation (let alone that these sites spend spend their "entire existence" denying the possibility of such), but instead that creationists point out things such as ". . . the likelihood of it happening is so remote that it cannot be the mechanism that could have generated the encyclopedic quantities of information of all living creatures." and that though "It is just possible that some trivial cases of increased information could occur amongst the billions of mutations that occur . . . the problem is that the process is overwhelmingly negative (information loss)." http://www.answersingenesis.org/Home/Area/feedback/2005/0311.asp

Creationists also point out the lack of documented examples of information gain by mutation in the neo-darwinian sense (the nylon degradation one being possibly one of the better candidates though), and importantly the fact that some of the most common examples of evolutionary change used by evolutionists (such as antibiotic resistance) frequently involve the loss of genetic information- and thus are not valid as examples of upward evolution as they involve the opposite process (see my second link in my first post here).

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HAS AN EVOLUTIONARY LINK BEEN DISCOVERED?

by badboy in

jw
friends

scientists have claimed to have found the missing link between fish and land animals on ellesmere island ,canada.

hooberus

Are you sure it's not because you were so far out of your intellectual depth in any arguments you had on the subject that you resorted to just copying and pasting from your favourite creationist websites? I guess people can look at your post history and make up their own minds.

They certainly can.