hooberus
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A Case FOR Evolution?
by pmouse in.
and the official wts response?
new light, silence, imperfect man or imperfect bird?.
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The Evolution of Judas Iscariot
by Leolaia inthe story of judas iscariot in the gospels provides the reader with a fascinating picture of how the plot and details of the narratives were gleaned from the ot and embellished in different ways.
the evangelists and the tradents that preceded them looked to the ot (and other affiliated literature) for information on what happened to jesus, employing a haggadaic method of biblical interpretation similar to how rabbis and authors of pseudepigraphs in the second temple era expanded the brief stories of the patriarchs in genesis with reams of new detail and legendary episodes -- through the means of exegesis aimed to penetrate beyond a plain reading of the text to "fill in the blanks" of what must have happened.
the authors of the gospels also scoured through the ot to discover what was supposed to happen to jesus and wrote their stories accordingly.
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hooberus
Threads like this (with the implication that the gospel accounts contain fiction/fraud) are simply too long for the relatively few believers (in the historicity of the Biblical accounts) that post here to at all reasonably respond to. In my opinion such lengthy "scholarly type" threads (almost always from a liberal prespective and presuppostional framework) would reallly be better posted (if opposing discussion/debate is desired) on more dedicated forums (theology web?) -wherein such material would be much more likely to be responded to by conservatives who have the time and background for such discussions. It may also be helpful on threads like this if any modern book sources for arguments being used (if any) were also listed.
That said the following offers some points regarding similar type arguments by others:
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What happened between Jesus death & the gospels being written?
by yaddayadda inhi, i'm interested in researching this subject.
can anyone recommend any good books that offer critical theories on the origins of early christianity, specifically the content and creation of the gospels.
for instance, how much of the gospels is underlying historical truth and how much might be exaggerations that crept in through, say 'chinese whispers' in the time between jesus death and the writing of the gospels ?
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hooberus
There are also numerous resources and books from the conservative position as well.
http://www.tektonics.org/qm/qmhub.html
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The Global Flood and Antarctica - Can we have both?
by mavie ina thought came to me this morning in the shower.
i was thinking about ice cores scientists have drilled in antarctica from which they can measure conditions that existed 650,000 years ago.
this got me thinking, how could antarctica have been around that long if the global flood as described in genesis really happened?
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hooberus
Antyone who is truely interested in ice core and other chronological issue data from a biblical prespective may wish to consult the following (I no longer participate in origins discussions here):
http://www.csfpittsburgh.org/icc.htm
http://www.creationresearch.org/
http://www.answersingenesis.org
Books and arcticles by Michael Oard may be especially helpful on the ice core issue.
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Do we have non-Biblical evidence that Jesus Christ existed?
by Inquisitor inwhat non-biblical, historical evidence proves or supports the notion that jesus once existed as a living, breathing jewish man?
i'll start with the one that i used to swear by back when i was a good jw.
the roman historian suetonius (c. 69-140 c.e.
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hooberus
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcno.htm
See the following regarding the claims in the "religious tolerance" arcticle about Mithras and Christianity. http://tektonics.org/copycat/mithra.html -
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Do we have non-Biblical evidence that Jesus Christ existed?
by Inquisitor inwhat non-biblical, historical evidence proves or supports the notion that jesus once existed as a living, breathing jewish man?
i'll start with the one that i used to swear by back when i was a good jw.
the roman historian suetonius (c. 69-140 c.e.
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hooberus
As far as I know only a small minority of historians believe that Jesus never existed at all, most agree that He did exist though many of these doubt the crucifixion story calling it crucifiction.
I think that you will find that most historians do not doubt the crucifixion. For example the Encyclopedia Brittanica Micropaedia Vol. 3 p.762 states (with no qualifications): "in about AD 32 Pontius Pilate had Jesus of Nazareth put to death by crucifixion." see also my previous link on this thread for several ancient references to the crucifixion.
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Do we have non-Biblical evidence that Jesus Christ existed?
by Inquisitor inwhat non-biblical, historical evidence proves or supports the notion that jesus once existed as a living, breathing jewish man?
i'll start with the one that i used to swear by back when i was a good jw.
the roman historian suetonius (c. 69-140 c.e.
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hooberus
Just fine Gumby.
Here is a link to my previous thread giving additional historical references specifically for the crucifixion under Pilate.
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Do we have non-Biblical evidence that Jesus Christ existed?
by Inquisitor inwhat non-biblical, historical evidence proves or supports the notion that jesus once existed as a living, breathing jewish man?
i'll start with the one that i used to swear by back when i was a good jw.
the roman historian suetonius (c. 69-140 c.e.
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hooberus
Just fine Gumby.
Here is a link to my previous thread giving additional historical references specifically for the crucifixion under Pilate.
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Do we have non-Biblical evidence that Jesus Christ existed?
by Inquisitor inwhat non-biblical, historical evidence proves or supports the notion that jesus once existed as a living, breathing jewish man?
i'll start with the one that i used to swear by back when i was a good jw.
the roman historian suetonius (c. 69-140 c.e.
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hooberus
http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexist/jesusexisthub.html
- Highly reliable sources. There are two of these: Tacitus and Josephus.
- Moderately reliable sources. We find three: Thallus, Pliny, and Lucian. For the matter of Thallus, please see also our link in our essay to Glenn Miller's essay on that subject, linked in our essay. (We will look at some objections to the Thallus cite.)
- Marginally reliable or unreliable sources. Three are in this class: Suetonius, the letter of Mara Bar-Serapion, and the Talmud.
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Flood Legends
by Inquisitor inthe account of noah's flood has had its credibility beaten black and blue by current understanding of ancient history, geology and biology.
yet staunch christians, including jws, continue to assert that the existence of the many flood legends from all over the world proves that a global catastrophe must have occurred.
how would you respond to this line of reasoning specifically?
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