Posts by hooberus

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Evolution is a Fact #1 - Protein Functional Redundancy

by cofty in

i intend for this to be one of a series of bite-sized ops on the evidence for evolution.. introduction to dna genes are sequences of dna made up of words (codons) each of which are three letters (bases) long.

there are only four letters in the genetic alphabet (acg&t) each word or codon is the recipe for one amino acid.

there are 20 different amino acids in living organisms.

hooberus

From the O.P.

In fact the entire tree of life can be reconstructed by comparing the amino acid sequences of this one protein. And yet any of these proteins can be switched and will work perfectly well.

Trees not only have ends, but also have trunks and branches. Trunks and branches are sequentially intermediate portions of trees.

Cytochrome C does not form a “tree.” None of the extant Cytochrome sequences are sequentially ancestral to any others (they can’t be placed into trunk and branches).

All of the trunk and branches that evolutionists propose for Cytochrome C are hypothetical, based on the assumption of common ancestry.

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How old's the human race?

by Freedom rocks in

hi does anyone know any good articles or videos about how old mankind and the earth are and carbon dating?

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i've just started looking into it but there seems to be a lot of conflicting ideas over accuracy so i'm unsure what to think.

hooberus

cofty wrote:

"Hooby has copy-pasted from a creationist website that reports on other creationists who have butchered a bit of excellent genetic research that shows the human population has exploded only in the past few millennia. Exactly the point we had to explain to Venus earlier.

It's painful to witness this sort of ignorance and wilful deception."

The main point of the article and book was clearly genome deteoriation by harmful mutation, not merely recent population increases.

Instead of dealing with that point, you simply try to generate a bogus accusation of "deception". I have found such behavior to be typical of many activist evolutionists. They present themselves as being "evidence based" and "open minded" and then turn around and just try to generate accusations against anything or anyone supporting creation or critical of evolution.

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How old's the human race?

by Freedom rocks in

hi does anyone know any good articles or videos about how old mankind and the earth are and carbon dating?

.

i've just started looking into it but there seems to be a lot of conflicting ideas over accuracy so i'm unsure what to think.

hooberus

"Many creationists believe that the bulk of scientific evidence for a recent creation comes from the fields of geology, physics, and astronomy and that biology and genetics have little to contribute. However, data that confirm a young creation are rapidly emerging from genetic studies performed by both creationist and secular scientists" http://www.icr.org/article/genetic-entropy-points-young-creation

The book "Genetic Entropy" by Dr. Sanford (4th Edition) is an important read on this subject.

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Do I have to believe in Jesus to be saved?

by unsure in

do i have to believe in jesus to be saved?.

i was raised as a jehovah's witness.

i was born in.

hooberus

unsure,

In case you haven't noticed.

This website has very, very few believers in creation and the Bible.

Its overwhelmingly an Evolutionist/ Atheist/anti Bible site.

If you are sincere and want to dialogue with believers you should look elsewhere such as

expreacherman.com for salvation questions

or perhaps evolutionfairytale.com forum for apologetics questions.

Don't expect a dialogue from a believer here.

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Evolution is a Fact #1 - Protein Functional Redundancy

by cofty in

i intend for this to be one of a series of bite-sized ops on the evidence for evolution.. introduction to dna genes are sequences of dna made up of words (codons) each of which are three letters (bases) long.

there are only four letters in the genetic alphabet (acg&t) each word or codon is the recipe for one amino acid.

there are 20 different amino acids in living organisms.

hooberus

You made a claim about "evolutionary history" in the OP. I asked a question specifically about this.

I believe my specific point is correct regarding how evolutionists create hypothetical trees.

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Evolution is a Fact #1 - Protein Functional Redundancy

by cofty in

i intend for this to be one of a series of bite-sized ops on the evidence for evolution.. introduction to dna genes are sequences of dna made up of words (codons) each of which are three letters (bases) long.

there are only four letters in the genetic alphabet (acg&t) each word or codon is the recipe for one amino acid.

there are 20 different amino acids in living organisms.

hooberus

Quote from Opening post

"If all living things evolved from a common ancestor then we can make a prediction about the differences between the Cytochrome C protein in different species. We would expect them to differ from each other in a predictable way that mirrors their evolutionary history.

This is exactly what we find.

The more distant any two species are from each other in evolutionary history the more differences there are in their amino acid sequences." End Quote

Where are you saying this "evolutionary history" is located? From what I read from evolutionist sources, evolutionists take living creatures, look at their similarities, and from these construct hypothetical evolutionary trees from them. The construction of these tree "phylogenies" is based on the assumption of evolutionary common descent and based on the prinicpal of coming up with the hypothetical tree that requires the least amount of changes not consistent with common descent [ie. the least amount of so called "convergence"].

Now, if evolution were somehow "known" to be true then such an exercise might be useful in coming up with the most likely version of evolutionary history, but it is not in itself an objective extant "evolutionary history" since its based on living creatures combined with the assumption of evolution.

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Do I have to believe in Jesus to be saved?

by unsure in

do i have to believe in jesus to be saved?.

i was raised as a jehovah's witness.

i was born in.

hooberus

At the moment of belief you permanently receive the imputed righteousness of God and the free gift of Eternal life which can never be lost or forfeited.

21"But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:" Romans 3:21-24

47Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. John 6:47

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9Not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:8-9

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Do I have to believe in Jesus to be saved?

by unsure in

do i have to believe in jesus to be saved?.

i was raised as a jehovah's witness.

i was born in.

hooberus

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6

"Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

11This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.

12Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." Acts 4:12

30"And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

31And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." Acts 16:30-31

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Do I have to believe in Jesus to be saved?

by unsure in

do i have to believe in jesus to be saved?.

i was raised as a jehovah's witness.

i was born in.

hooberus

Ok, for the third time: What makes you think you need to be "saved"?
Can you answer that without using the Bible and specifically without using a WT spin on it?

Why does he need to answer it without using the Bible? The Bible is the foundation of the Christian worldview, telling us how we got here, why is there death and suffering, why there are sedimentary rock layers all over the world. What we need to be saved from, and what God did to save us.

Yes, this involves presuppositions (as any world view does). There are many resources defending the Christian worldview, from many perspectives, showing its superiority to competing belief systems such as naturalism.

https://creationresearch.org

(I have never been a JW)

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After being in the so-called "Truth" makes me despise all religions.

by Fader812 in

after being a jw made me lose trust in religion, from the lies, hypocrisy and greed of this organization made me lose faith completely.

what does one do after this mind f$%@, what is there to look forward to?

do i make up my own agnostic theory in head and hope for the best?

hooberus

One thing being a JW did real well is show you how all other religions are False - so when you find out JWs are false, well - why would you go to one of the others.

In addition to taking scripture out of context, the Watchtower misrepresents the teachings of others order to make them appear false. For example, they have misrepresented the Trinity for years in several ways. People leave the Watchtower and still hold these strawman beliefs.