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  Evolution is a Fact #1 - Protein Functional Redundancy

  by cofty in

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  i intend for this to be one of a series of bite-sized ops on the evidence for evolution.. introduction to dna genes are sequences of dna made up of words (codons) each of which are three letters (bases) long.

  there are only four letters in the genetic alphabet (acg&t) each word or codon is the recipe for one amino acid.

  there are 20 different amino acids in living organisms.

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  hooberus

  That said creatures that are similar morphologically will also be similar in terms of cytochrome c. The nested patterns of both will tend be in agreement. This could not be a result of chance, but that does not mean that evidence against chance is evidence for evolution.

  There are two books that I would recommend on life’s overall pattern morphologically and genetic.

  “The Biotic Message” by Walter ReMine

  ”Evolution a Theory in Crisis” by Michael Denton (especially chapters 5, 6, and 12).

  Dont be dissuaded by negative evolutionist “reviews”. There is a lot of decent info in these 2.
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  Evolution is a Fact #1 - Protein Functional Redundancy

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i intend for this to be one of a series of bite-sized ops on the evidence for evolution.. introduction to dna genes are sequences of dna made up of words (codons) each of which are three letters (bases) long.

  there are only four letters in the genetic alphabet (acg&t) each word or codon is the recipe for one amino acid.

  there are 20 different amino acids in living organisms.

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  hooberus

  “The evolutionist “protein functional redundancy” argument is built on the assumption that the only options for cytochrome c similarities are random chance or common descent.”

  Note: The above comment was referring specifically to the “Confirmation” section of the “talk origins” article on this subject which states:

  “Humans and chimpanzees have the exact same cytochrome c protein sequence. . . In the absence of common descent, the chance of this occurrence is conservatively less than 10^93 (1 out of 10^93).”
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  Evolution is a Fact #1 - Protein Functional Redundancy

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i intend for this to be one of a series of bite-sized ops on the evidence for evolution.. introduction to dna genes are sequences of dna made up of words (codons) each of which are three letters (bases) long.

  there are only four letters in the genetic alphabet (acg&t) each word or codon is the recipe for one amino acid.

  there are 20 different amino acids in living organisms.

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  hooberus

  “Comparative genetics DOES NOT depend on an assumption of common ancestry it proves common ancestry.”

  The first part of this is correct. Comparative genetics does not depend on an assumption of common ancestry. The mere fact of sequence similarity and dissimilarity does not prove common ancestry any more than software sequence comparison proves that iOS software versions arose by random mutation via hypothetical common ancestors.

  
  
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  Evolution is a Fact #1 - Protein Functional Redundancy

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i intend for this to be one of a series of bite-sized ops on the evidence for evolution.. introduction to dna genes are sequences of dna made up of words (codons) each of which are three letters (bases) long.

  there are only four letters in the genetic alphabet (acg&t) each word or codon is the recipe for one amino acid.

  there are 20 different amino acids in living organisms.

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  hooberus

  Yes, there are a very large number of calculated possible functional cytochrome c sequences. (2.3 x 10 93rd power). Therefore the random chance occurrence of a high degree of similarity between any life forms would be remote (more remote than the number of estimated atoms in the universe).

  This is strong evidence against RANDOM chance as an explanation for cytochrome c similarities in living things.

  However, evidence against random chance does NOT equate to evidence for “common descent” between creatures.

  For example all the possible hypothetical software sequences making up iPhone iOS software would be a much larger number than the above figures for cytochrome c. Yet the similarities between various generations of iOS are not evidence for “common descent” via naturalistic mutational processes, but instead due to being the product of a common intelligent design source.

  The evolutionist “protein functional redundancy” argument is built on the assumption that the only options for cytochrome c similarities are random chance or common descent.

  The evolutionists are using “evidence” against one naturalistic scenario as “evidence” for another.
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  Evolution is a Fact #1 - Protein Functional Redundancy

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i intend for this to be one of a series of bite-sized ops on the evidence for evolution.. introduction to dna genes are sequences of dna made up of words (codons) each of which are three letters (bases) long.

  there are only four letters in the genetic alphabet (acg&t) each word or codon is the recipe for one amino acid.

  there are 20 different amino acids in living organisms.

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  hooberus

  The brief point about something in the OP that I made today was simple and factually accurate.

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/4950233519751168/evolution-fact-1-protein-functional-redundancy?page=18#6215033349472256

  There is nothing difficult to understand, nor does it misunderstand the topic.
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  Evolution is a Fact #1 - Protein Functional Redundancy

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i intend for this to be one of a series of bite-sized ops on the evidence for evolution.. introduction to dna genes are sequences of dna made up of words (codons) each of which are three letters (bases) long.

  there are only four letters in the genetic alphabet (acg&t) each word or codon is the recipe for one amino acid.

  there are 20 different amino acids in living organisms.

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  hooberus

  Cofty, to my first post today you replied:

  “I literally have not got a clue what you mean . . .”

  So did you understand it or not?

  
  
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  Evolution is a Fact #1 - Protein Functional Redundancy

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i intend for this to be one of a series of bite-sized ops on the evidence for evolution.. introduction to dna genes are sequences of dna made up of words (codons) each of which are three letters (bases) long.

  there are only four letters in the genetic alphabet (acg&t) each word or codon is the recipe for one amino acid.

  there are 20 different amino acids in living organisms.

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  hooberus

  I literally have not got a clue what you mean and I suspect you don't either.

  So you can’t understand the point that I was making in the 3 paragraphs?

  I don’t think it’s that difficult.
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  Evolution is a Fact #1 - Protein Functional Redundancy

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i intend for this to be one of a series of bite-sized ops on the evidence for evolution.. introduction to dna genes are sequences of dna made up of words (codons) each of which are three letters (bases) long.

  there are only four letters in the genetic alphabet (acg&t) each word or codon is the recipe for one amino acid.

  there are 20 different amino acids in living organisms.

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  hooberus

  From the O.P.

  In fact the entire tree of life can be reconstructed by comparing the amino acid sequences of this one protein. And yet any of these proteins can be switched and will work perfectly well.

  Trees not only have ends, but also have trunks and branches. Trunks and branches are sequentially intermediate portions of trees.

  Cytochrome C does not form a “tree.” None of the extant Cytochrome sequences are sequentially ancestral to any others (they can’t be placed into trunk and branches).

  All of the trunk and branches that evolutionists propose for Cytochrome C are hypothetical, based on the assumption of common ancestry.
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  How old's the human race?

  by Freedom rocks in

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  hi does anyone know any good articles or videos about how old mankind and the earth are and carbon dating?

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  i've just started looking into it but there seems to be a lot of conflicting ideas over accuracy so i'm unsure what to think.

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  hooberus

  cofty wrote:

  "Hooby has copy-pasted from a creationist website that reports on other creationists who have butchered a bit of excellent genetic research that shows the human population has exploded only in the past few millennia. Exactly the point we had to explain to Venus earlier.

  It's painful to witness this sort of ignorance and wilful deception."

  The main point of the article and book was clearly genome deteoriation by harmful mutation, not merely recent population increases.

  Instead of dealing with that point, you simply try to generate a bogus accusation of "deception". I have found such behavior to be typical of many activist evolutionists. They present themselves as being "evidence based" and "open minded" and then turn around and just try to generate accusations against anything or anyone supporting creation or critical of evolution.
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  How old's the human race?

  by Freedom rocks in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hi does anyone know any good articles or videos about how old mankind and the earth are and carbon dating?

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  i've just started looking into it but there seems to be a lot of conflicting ideas over accuracy so i'm unsure what to think.

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  hooberus

  "Many creationists believe that the bulk of scientific evidence for a recent creation comes from the fields of geology, physics, and astronomy and that biology and genetics have little to contribute. However, data that confirm a young creation are rapidly emerging from genetic studies performed by both creationist and secular scientists" http://www.icr.org/article/genetic-entropy-points-young-creation

  The book "Genetic Entropy" by Dr. Sanford (4th Edition) is an important read on this subject.