Posts by hooberus

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Evolution is a Fact #1 - Protein Functional Redundancy

by cofty in

i intend for this to be one of a series of bite-sized ops on the evidence for evolution.. introduction to dna genes are sequences of dna made up of words (codons) each of which are three letters (bases) long.

there are only four letters in the genetic alphabet (acg&t) each word or codon is the recipe for one amino acid.

there are 20 different amino acids in living organisms.

hooberus

The answer to your question is that natural selection is NOT random. But we have covered that many many times.

How does differential survival and reproduction, even if not random, solve the mathematical problem of finding even one functional cytochrome c molecule?

You claim “in the case of finding an explanation for the complexity and diversity of life the results are already in. Unguided evolution is a fact.”

So therefore how was one of the functional sequences obtained given the probability issue?

Cytochrome c is just one component of the electron transport chain, so why would a molecule of it be worth anything to be selected ?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_transport_chain

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Evolution is a Fact #1 - Protein Functional Redundancy

by cofty in

i intend for this to be one of a series of bite-sized ops on the evidence for evolution.. introduction to dna genes are sequences of dna made up of words (codons) each of which are three letters (bases) long.

there are only four letters in the genetic alphabet (acg&t) each word or codon is the recipe for one amino acid.

there are 20 different amino acids in living organisms.

hooberus

For those who wanted sources:
What Cofty said:
"The number of possible amino acid sequences that would result in a functional Cytochrome C protein molecule has been calculated to be a billion times larger than all the atoms in the known universe."
The source:
Yockey, H. P. (1992) Information Theory and Molecular Biology. New York, Cambridge University Press.

The above is from page 16 of this thread.

The number of different possible functional versions of cyctochrome c sequences calculted by Yockey is staggering (2.3 x 10 93 ).

However, Yockeys calculations also show that when compared to the number of random possible sequences of the same length as cyctochrome c (110 amino acid length = 1.15 x 10 137 possible sequences) that functional cyctochrome c sequences are exceedingly rare.

The odds of obtaining even one of these by chance is 2.0 x 10 -44

Has any evolutionist demonstrated enough likely trials and time available on the Earth to likely obtain one functional cytochrome c sequence?

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Is Jesus Christ, Jehovah God? (Not the Father, but Equal to the Father)

by JW Answers in

jehovah's witnesses,is jesus christ, jehovah god?

(not the father, but equal to the father)what if the watchtower told you about god in a false way, and yet the bible taught you about god in his true character, how would you respond?could it be true, that the watchtower have been leading you up the garden path, describing god in a way that the bible does not describe?

please watch my latest video to help you to see how the bible describes the lord jesus christ, and also within my video, i explain from the new world translation how the bible which the jws use, also describes jesus as jehovah god.

hooberus

“I have nothing to substantiate.
I have made a claim . . .”

That’s a good description of your posting on this thread.

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Is Jesus Christ, Jehovah God? (Not the Father, but Equal to the Father)

by JW Answers in

jehovah's witnesses,is jesus christ, jehovah god?

(not the father, but equal to the father)what if the watchtower told you about god in a false way, and yet the bible taught you about god in his true character, how would you respond?could it be true, that the watchtower have been leading you up the garden path, describing god in a way that the bible does not describe?

please watch my latest video to help you to see how the bible describes the lord jesus christ, and also within my video, i explain from the new world translation how the bible which the jws use, also describes jesus as jehovah god.

hooberus

There is nothing enjoyable about bumping heads with intellectually dishonest people.

True.

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Is Jesus Christ, Jehovah God? (Not the Father, but Equal to the Father)

by JW Answers in

jehovah's witnesses,is jesus christ, jehovah god?

(not the father, but equal to the father)what if the watchtower told you about god in a false way, and yet the bible taught you about god in his true character, how would you respond?could it be true, that the watchtower have been leading you up the garden path, describing god in a way that the bible does not describe?

please watch my latest video to help you to see how the bible describes the lord jesus christ, and also within my video, i explain from the new world translation how the bible which the jws use, also describes jesus as jehovah god.

hooberus

Your inability to simply state the cornerstone of your faith is duly noted Hooby.

Your refusal to admit that your initial anti-trinitarian argument on this thread was dealt with, and your failure to substantiate your assertive claims regarding the Trinity doctrine are duly noted.

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Is Jesus Christ, Jehovah God? (Not the Father, but Equal to the Father)

by JW Answers in

jehovah's witnesses,is jesus christ, jehovah god?

(not the father, but equal to the father)what if the watchtower told you about god in a false way, and yet the bible taught you about god in his true character, how would you respond?could it be true, that the watchtower have been leading you up the garden path, describing god in a way that the bible does not describe?

please watch my latest video to help you to see how the bible describes the lord jesus christ, and also within my video, i explain from the new world translation how the bible which the jws use, also describes jesus as jehovah god.

hooberus

My claim is that it is impossible to describe the trinity without contradicting yourself or resorting to esoteric language. Most attempts to do so end up in heresy.

It is my contention that christianity is in fact a polytheistic religion.

Well since these are your claims and your contentions, then why don’t you demonstrate them by citing respected works of Trinitarians in context, and then carefully demonstrating your points? (Even better also deal with their responses to anti-trinitarian arguments - if you can).

Considerable time was already spent by myself on one of your claimed points here. It often takes more time to refute bad arguments than to make and assert them. I’m not obligated to spend my life responding to whatever you demand, or whatever arguments you assert.

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Is Jesus Christ, Jehovah God? (Not the Father, but Equal to the Father)

by JW Answers in

jehovah's witnesses,is jesus christ, jehovah god?

(not the father, but equal to the father)what if the watchtower told you about god in a false way, and yet the bible taught you about god in his true character, how would you respond?could it be true, that the watchtower have been leading you up the garden path, describing god in a way that the bible does not describe?

please watch my latest video to help you to see how the bible describes the lord jesus christ, and also within my video, i explain from the new world translation how the bible which the jws use, also describes jesus as jehovah god.

hooberus

Cofty wrote: “Why can nobody describe the trinity succinctly in their own words? Could it be because all you will find in every one of those resources is pure sophistry?”

Well you claim that it is “polytheistic”. So apparently you think that you can describe it, (or part of it) just fine !

Cofty wrote: “I used to be a xtian Hooby. I read systematic theologies for fun.”

Really? , From which one did you learn that “Christianity is a polytheistic religion”?

Cofty wrote: “Why is it so impossible for you?”

What says that it’s impossible for me?

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Is Jesus Christ, Jehovah God? (Not the Father, but Equal to the Father)

by JW Answers in

jehovah's witnesses,is jesus christ, jehovah god?

(not the father, but equal to the father)what if the watchtower told you about god in a false way, and yet the bible taught you about god in his true character, how would you respond?could it be true, that the watchtower have been leading you up the garden path, describing god in a way that the bible does not describe?

please watch my latest video to help you to see how the bible describes the lord jesus christ, and also within my video, i explain from the new world translation how the bible which the jws use, also describes jesus as jehovah god.

hooberus

Cofty, anyone who is interested can easily obtain resources outlining and defending Trinitarianism. I have some books that I can recommend.

I responded here to deal with one of your claims that you believe did not a reasonable answer from a Trinitarian perspective. An objection that you were repeatedly bringing up and demanding an answer to.

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Is Jesus Christ, Jehovah God? (Not the Father, but Equal to the Father)

by JW Answers in

jehovah's witnesses,is jesus christ, jehovah god?

(not the father, but equal to the father)what if the watchtower told you about god in a false way, and yet the bible taught you about god in his true character, how would you respond?could it be true, that the watchtower have been leading you up the garden path, describing god in a way that the bible does not describe?

please watch my latest video to help you to see how the bible describes the lord jesus christ, and also within my video, i explain from the new world translation how the bible which the jws use, also describes jesus as jehovah god.

hooberus

“. . . without self-contradiction or heresy.”

Sorry, but I don’t trust your judgement on what is truly contradictory or heresy.

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Is Jesus Christ, Jehovah God? (Not the Father, but Equal to the Father)

by JW Answers in

jehovah's witnesses,is jesus christ, jehovah god?

(not the father, but equal to the father)what if the watchtower told you about god in a false way, and yet the bible taught you about god in his true character, how would you respond?could it be true, that the watchtower have been leading you up the garden path, describing god in a way that the bible does not describe?

please watch my latest video to help you to see how the bible describes the lord jesus christ, and also within my video, i explain from the new world translation how the bible which the jws use, also describes jesus as jehovah god.

hooberus

cofty wrote:

“The Almighty could NOT make a four-sided triangle.

The Almighty could NOT make a rock so heavy that he can't lift it.

The Almighty could NOT create a married batchelor.

The Almighty cannot be unequivocally God and be in subjection to God at the same time.”

By definition triangles necessarily have no more than three sides.

By definition bachelors necessarily have no spouse.

However there is nothing in the definition of Almighty that necessarily prevents them from also taking on the nature of man. Nor as a man, from being subject to parents, or God the Father.

if you are going to assert that this is not so, then explain what prevents Almighty God from also becoming a man and/or explain why God Almighty- as a man- could not (even if he wanted to) be subject to his earthly parents, and could not (even if he wanted to) -as a man- honor the Father as his God as all men should do.

Using your ‘logic’ God Almighty COULD NOT agree to the Terms of Service and Posting Rules here and THEN POST HERE since he would then be in “subjection” to them.