Posts by hooberus

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Evolution is a Fact #1 - Protein Functional Redundancy

by cofty in

i intend for this to be one of a series of bite-sized ops on the evidence for evolution.. introduction to dna genes are sequences of dna made up of words (codons) each of which are three letters (bases) long.

there are only four letters in the genetic alphabet (acg&t) each word or codon is the recipe for one amino acid.

there are 20 different amino acids in living organisms.

hooberus

Bacteria don't have mitochondria!
We are talking about comparison between cytochrome C amino acid and nucleotide sequences in eukaryotes not eukaryotes and prokaryotes..

Bacteria don’t have mitochondria? So what? Who said that they did?

They are living things and have Cytochrome C. That makes them revelant here.

On another thread you wrote: “Every living thing descended from a common ancestor over millions of years. This is the central fact that the theory of evolution explains.”

Obviously that includes bacteria. So they are relevant to this discussion.

As a matter of fact evolutionists claim (or have anyway) that everything else descended from bacteria (that includes eukaryotes).

Your whole ‘objection’ here is illustrative that you are the type of poster that tries to ‘challenge’ everything.

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Evolution is a Fact #1 - Protein Functional Redundancy

by cofty in

i intend for this to be one of a series of bite-sized ops on the evidence for evolution.. introduction to dna genes are sequences of dna made up of words (codons) each of which are three letters (bases) long.

there are only four letters in the genetic alphabet (acg&t) each word or codon is the recipe for one amino acid.

there are 20 different amino acids in living organisms.

hooberus

Yeast, insect, a fish, a bird, and a mammal all have approximately the same number of Cytochrome C differences relative to a bacteria. Is there a pre-existing evolutionary publication predicting this?

You claim:

”Comparison of Cytochrome C sequences PRECISELY confirms the evolutionary history of all species, from humans to yeast, EXACTLY as predicted by pre-existing models.”

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Evolution is a Fact #1 - Protein Functional Redundancy

by cofty in

i intend for this to be one of a series of bite-sized ops on the evidence for evolution.. introduction to dna genes are sequences of dna made up of words (codons) each of which are three letters (bases) long.

there are only four letters in the genetic alphabet (acg&t) each word or codon is the recipe for one amino acid.

there are 20 different amino acids in living organisms.

hooberus

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Evolution is a Fact #1 - Protein Functional Redundancy

by cofty in

i intend for this to be one of a series of bite-sized ops on the evidence for evolution.. introduction to dna genes are sequences of dna made up of words (codons) each of which are three letters (bases) long.

there are only four letters in the genetic alphabet (acg&t) each word or codon is the recipe for one amino acid.

there are 20 different amino acids in living organisms.

hooberus

Yeast, insect, a fish, a bird, and a mammal all have approximately the same number of Cytochrome C differences relative to a bacteria. Is there a pre-existing evolutionary publication predicting this?

My chart would not upload correctly. I will try to post one to illustrate.

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Evolution is a Fact #1 - Protein Functional Redundancy

by cofty in

i intend for this to be one of a series of bite-sized ops on the evidence for evolution.. introduction to dna genes are sequences of dna made up of words (codons) each of which are three letters (bases) long.

there are only four letters in the genetic alphabet (acg&t) each word or codon is the recipe for one amino acid.

there are 20 different amino acids in living organisms.

hooberus

Comparison of Cytochrome C sequences PRECISELY confirms the evolutionary history of all species, from humans to yeast, EXACTLY as predicted by pre-existing models.

Biochemical sequence data from a chart in Denton’s book compiled from Dayhoff shows that when compared to bacteria that yeast , wheat, a silk moth, tuna, pigeon, and horse are all virtually the same distance when it comes to Cytochrome C

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Evolution is a Fact #1 - Protein Functional Redundancy

by cofty in

i intend for this to be one of a series of bite-sized ops on the evidence for evolution.. introduction to dna genes are sequences of dna made up of words (codons) each of which are three letters (bases) long.

there are only four letters in the genetic alphabet (acg&t) each word or codon is the recipe for one amino acid.

there are 20 different amino acids in living organisms.

hooberus

Earlier I brought up two general points in a response.

1. The assertion by evolutionists that a creator would not have created life the way that it exists.

2. The assertion by evolutionists that evolution makes specific predictions about life, and that these predictions are fulfilled.

My previous recent posts dealt with point number 1. Since there is no specific response (other than a dismissive comment) I will move on to the other assertion.

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Evolution is a Fact #1 - Protein Functional Redundancy

by cofty in

i intend for this to be one of a series of bite-sized ops on the evidence for evolution.. introduction to dna genes are sequences of dna made up of words (codons) each of which are three letters (bases) long.

there are only four letters in the genetic alphabet (acg&t) each word or codon is the recipe for one amino acid.

there are 20 different amino acids in living organisms.

hooberus

In 1993 Walter ReMine published an important work titled “The Biotic Message” in which he introduced “Message Theory”.

The basics of Message Theory is that:

1. Life was created to show that it was the work of a single designer.

2. Life was also designed to resist all other explanations.

ReMine focuses on life’s overall pattern of theme and variation and why a creator would choose to use it to unite life as the work of one designer (and to resist other explanations including multiple designers acting independently and numerous evolutionary scenarios).

A pattern of theme and variation is used to identify unknown works of art as the product of a single artist.

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Evolution is a Fact #1 - Protein Functional Redundancy

by cofty in

i intend for this to be one of a series of bite-sized ops on the evidence for evolution.. introduction to dna genes are sequences of dna made up of words (codons) each of which are three letters (bases) long.

there are only four letters in the genetic alphabet (acg&t) each word or codon is the recipe for one amino acid.

there are 20 different amino acids in living organisms.

hooberus

In 1985 an Australian molecular biologist wrote a book titled “Evolution A Theory In Crisis”. This book gives a well laid out explanation of life’s overall pattern of “groups within groups” (a pattern of theme and variation) according to shared characteristics. This is found in chapters 5 and 6.

He points out the difficulties of the specific evolutionary scenario of descent with modification from common ancestry of explaining life’s pattern.

He also documents in a later chapter how the pattern of Cytochrome C matches the predictions of the pre-Darwinian typological model of nature almost perfectly (of groups within groups with each group Isolated and equidistant when compared with other groups).

So regardless of evolution the predictions match another model almost precisely. So why could a creator have not done this? Especially since he would have already have created according to the same model?

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Evolution is a Fact #1 - Protein Functional Redundancy

by cofty in

i intend for this to be one of a series of bite-sized ops on the evidence for evolution.. introduction to dna genes are sequences of dna made up of words (codons) each of which are three letters (bases) long.

there are only four letters in the genetic alphabet (acg&t) each word or codon is the recipe for one amino acid.

there are 20 different amino acids in living organisms.

hooberus

I will take more than one post to respond to the above 2 posts. I won’t consider responding to anything “new” until I’m done.

General:

The style of argumentation is similar to what other evolutionists use (see ReMine 1993) and can be broken down to two basic assertions of evolutionists.

1. The assertion by evolutionists that a creator would not have created life the way that it exists.

2. The assertion by evolutionists that evolution makes specific predictions about life, and that these predictions are fulfilled.

The assertion by evolutionists that a creator would not have created life the way that it exists, is a convienent assertion. Cofty’s argument assumes that a creator could not (or at least would not) have created Cytochrome C in the pattern that it exists in. (Instead, according to him a creator would have been limited to creating it totally identically or totally random.)

Thats several assertions about a creator with little or no substantiation.

We are told by evolutionists that “just because we can’t imagine out how evolution did it doesn’t mean that a creator did it” - Perhaps evolutionists should consider that “just because we can’t imagine why a creator would do something in a certain way doesn’t mean that evolution did it”

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Evolution is a Fact #1 - Protein Functional Redundancy

by cofty in

i intend for this to be one of a series of bite-sized ops on the evidence for evolution.. introduction to dna genes are sequences of dna made up of words (codons) each of which are three letters (bases) long.

there are only four letters in the genetic alphabet (acg&t) each word or codon is the recipe for one amino acid.

there are 20 different amino acids in living organisms.

hooberus

Even taking the existence of Cytochrome C as a given, that evolutionary processes “predict” life’s pattern is a stretch.

Evolutionary theory is highly flexible. Evolutionists “adapt” evolution to try to fit any data.

If Cytochrome C sequences (beyond a limited number of shared amino acids required to form the protein) were totally random between species, then Evolutionists would ‘explain’ the random pattern as a result of ‘neutral mutation’. After all they believe that ‘random’ mutation is the source of genetic variation. (They would tell us that a creator would not have done it this way and that it is evidence of random naturalistic processes instead).