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  WHERE DID ALL THAT WATER GO?

  by MYOHNSEPH in

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  as i recall, "the society" at one time taught the flood waters of noah's day came from an immense canopy of water, which formed sometime during creation and hovered above the earth until it all broke loose in the flood.

  o.k., cool.

  but does anyone know of an explanation of where it all went afterwards?

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  hooberus

  "The idea that humans decended from ancient fish-like creatures is a fact." rem

  

  Edited by - hooberus on 29 January 2003 21:14:18
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  WHERE DID ALL THAT WATER GO?

  by MYOHNSEPH in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as i recall, "the society" at one time taught the flood waters of noah's day came from an immense canopy of water, which formed sometime during creation and hovered above the earth until it all broke loose in the flood.

  o.k., cool.

  but does anyone know of an explanation of where it all went afterwards?

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  hooberus

  "Yes, I accept that a certain line of ancient fish-like creatures are ancestors to humans and certain other modern organisms, just as Evolutionary theory predicts" rem

  "I contend that only ignorant people would disagree with it. Unfortunately, ignorant people don't know that they look stupid." rem

  "The idea that humans decended from ancient fish-like creatures is a fact. The mechanism of how it happened is a theory." rem

  rem, since you admit yourself that you decended from fish (um..er..fish-like creatures) I choose to treat you as such, and "throw you back into the water." Whenever I take the time to refute you, you simply "bite at new bait" so I'm not going to waste time on your "objections" here.

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  WHERE DID ALL THAT WATER GO?

  by MYOHNSEPH in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as i recall, "the society" at one time taught the flood waters of noah's day came from an immense canopy of water, which formed sometime during creation and hovered above the earth until it all broke loose in the flood.

  o.k., cool.

  but does anyone know of an explanation of where it all went afterwards?

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  2. 
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  hooberus

  Realist, here are a few: Discontinous fossil record especially between the major groups. Large seemingly unbridgable gaps between the morphologies of living organisms. Discontinous pattern of DNA similarities between groups of living organisms. Massive problems with a naturalistic origin of life. Complex functional structures such as the eye. Convergence unbelievability (such as the eye of the squid and the human eye being similar yet according to evolution sharing no common ancestry hense they formed separately.) Of course these will be protested bitterly by committed evolutionists, however you will just have to make an investigation for yourself. A good place to start is the book "Evolution: A Theory In Crisis" by Michael Denton a micro-biologist who was not a creationist when he wrote his book. His book is simple enough for the layman to understand yet through enough for the more technical. He deals alot with DNA similarities as related to evolution.
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  WHERE DID ALL THAT WATER GO?

  by MYOHNSEPH in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as i recall, "the society" at one time taught the flood waters of noah's day came from an immense canopy of water, which formed sometime during creation and hovered above the earth until it all broke loose in the flood.

  o.k., cool.

  but does anyone know of an explanation of where it all went afterwards?

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  2. 
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  hooberus

  Realist I would say that the situation is in fact the opposite. Many fields of science biology especially have found lots of evidence for creation and tons of problems with evolution. Unfortunately the educational system is so lopsided for evolution that only evidence supporting evolution is presented, with problems being suppressed or glossed over. And evidence for creation is censored out before the discussion even begins!.
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  WHERE DID ALL THAT WATER GO?

  by MYOHNSEPH in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as i recall, "the society" at one time taught the flood waters of noah's day came from an immense canopy of water, which formed sometime during creation and hovered above the earth until it all broke loose in the flood.

  o.k., cool.

  but does anyone know of an explanation of where it all went afterwards?

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  2. 
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  hooberus

  Alan F said:

  "So the fossil record itself, in its general ordering, supports the notion that life evolved. It also supports the notion that life was created, but this has plenty of other problems. Once again, YECs lamely deny any evidence at all that supports the dreaded "evolution".

  I have read in "YEC" literature that the fossil record (succession) can be interpreted to support the concept that life evolved or was created (I believe this is stated in the book "The Young Earth" by John Morris).

  Alan F said:

  "They fail to understand that the fossil record says nothing at all about the origin of life, only about its development and change over the course of several billion years. Oops! Another YEC no no."

  I don't believe that I have ever read that creationists have ever stated that the fossil record sould say something about the "origin of life".
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  WHERE DID ALL THAT WATER GO?

  by MYOHNSEPH in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as i recall, "the society" at one time taught the flood waters of noah's day came from an immense canopy of water, which formed sometime during creation and hovered above the earth until it all broke loose in the flood.

  o.k., cool.

  but does anyone know of an explanation of where it all went afterwards?

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  hooberus

  Alan F said:

  "Geology is entirely independent of evolution. Geology supports conventional notions of evolution, and vice versa, but they do not determine one another. They support one another. Do you understand the difference?"

  While the science of geology existed before modern evolutionary theory, "Historical Geology" is very dependent on evolution. Just look at a historical geology texy book. The one in my library uses evolution as one of its basic interpretative principals. It even mentions evolution on the cover page!!
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  WHERE DID ALL THAT WATER GO?

  by MYOHNSEPH in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as i recall, "the society" at one time taught the flood waters of noah's day came from an immense canopy of water, which formed sometime during creation and hovered above the earth until it all broke loose in the flood.

  o.k., cool.

  but does anyone know of an explanation of where it all went afterwards?

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  2. 
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  hooberus

  Alan F said:

  "Another thing that YECs hate is that fossils are nearly always found in the order that one would expect if life had evolved on its own. The rare exceptions are in places where large masses of rock have been overturned or otherwise massively disturbed by extreme tectonic movements, but in all these cases there is plenty of evidence of the disturbance. YECs are embarrassed that they have to come up with idiotic claims to explain this ordering, like "The smarter animals like mammals could run faster from the rising water and so that's why they're always found in higher sedimentary levels." Please!"

  Everyone concedes that fish fossils are generally found below amphibian fossils, and reptile and mammal fossils are generally found above fish and amphibian fossils. However in any one location normally only a few "geologic syatems" are found in place. Fossils may be "nearly always found in the order that one would expect if life had evolved on its own" (or for that matter if laid down by a flood.). However is is very common to find huge time gaps bewtween strata with no evidence of long ages as required by evolution. For example there are places where Devonian strata directly and conformally overlay Cambrian strata witn no physical evidence of "hundreds of millions of years" of erosion inbetween. This common phenomena of supposedly "much younger" strata directly and conformally overlying "much older strata" without evidence of erosion inbetween calls into question the whole concept of geologic ages.

  Edited by - hooberus on 28 January 2003 19:9:20
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  WHERE DID ALL THAT WATER GO?

  by MYOHNSEPH in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as i recall, "the society" at one time taught the flood waters of noah's day came from an immense canopy of water, which formed sometime during creation and hovered above the earth until it all broke loose in the flood.

  o.k., cool.

  but does anyone know of an explanation of where it all went afterwards?

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  hooberus

  Alan F said

  "As usual, we find a typical YEC "scientist", Steve Austin, skewing the truth. Readers can compare for themselves what Austin claims with what one of those early Christian geologists actually said:"

  Austin is clearly presenting Sedgewick as a progressive creationist. Progressive creationists do not believe in a single global flood, but instead in a series of catastrophies which caused various extinctions. therefore your claim that Austin is "skewing the truth" is false. Austin is not presenting Sedgewick as being a believer that all the strata was laid down in a single global flood.

  Misconception No. 1. The geologic column was constructed by geologists who, because of the weight of the evidence that they had found, were convinced of the truth of uniformitarian theory and organic evolution.

  It may sound surprising, but the standard geologic column was devised before 1860 by catastrophists who were creationists. 1 Adam Sedgewick, Roderick Murchison, William Coneybeare, and others affirmed that the earth was formed largely by catastrophic processes, and that the earth and life were created. These men stood for careful empirical science and were not compelled to believe evolutionary speculation or side with uniformitarian theory. Although most would be called"progressive creationists" in today's terminology, they would not be pleased to see all the evolutionary baggage that has been loaded onto their classification of strata.

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  WHERE DID ALL THAT WATER GO?

  by MYOHNSEPH in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as i recall, "the society" at one time taught the flood waters of noah's day came from an immense canopy of water, which formed sometime during creation and hovered above the earth until it all broke loose in the flood.

  o.k., cool.

  but does anyone know of an explanation of where it all went afterwards?

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  hooberus

  "Hey AlanF,you have the patience of a saint.Your dealing with a pretty thick character..Friday gets the boot December 24th..Hooberus posts him January 26 to debate him,LOL!...OUTLAW"

  I believe that you are refering to my post "Info for Yardirf" under scandals. My post was to provide information and not to necessarily "debate him." Also even if someone is booted they can still call up this site and read information.
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  WHERE DID ALL THAT WATER GO?

  by MYOHNSEPH in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as i recall, "the society" at one time taught the flood waters of noah's day came from an immense canopy of water, which formed sometime during creation and hovered above the earth until it all broke loose in the flood.

  o.k., cool.

  but does anyone know of an explanation of where it all went afterwards?

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  2. 
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  hooberus

  rem, your the one who keeps saying "there was no global flood" over and over and over and over