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  Evolution is a Fact #15 - Robinson Crusoe

  by cofty in

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  there are two sorts of islands.

  one sort provides powerful evidence of evolution at a species level.. firstly there are continental islands.

  these were once part of larger land masses but they were cut off by rising water levels or the movement of tectonic plates.

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  hooberus

  So your # 15 thread really involves either:

  1.) Knocking down a straw man (ie. that creationists don’t believe in migration or that creationists believe that every single animal population called a species today was directly created by God), or

  2.) Definitional equivocation by defining “evolution” in one narrow way (what is called speciation which is compatible with creationism), and then turning around and using it as support for Evolution defined in another much more broad way (ie. a total naturalistic version of history-which is not compatible with creationism).

  Both of these tactics are fallacies.
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  Evolution is a Fact #15 - Robinson Crusoe

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there are two sorts of islands.

  one sort provides powerful evidence of evolution at a species level.. firstly there are continental islands.

  these were once part of larger land masses but they were cut off by rising water levels or the movement of tectonic plates.

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  hooberus

  How did Hawaii end up with 60 endemic species of honeycreepers? It is impossible to explain without evolution/speciation.

  The problem is that “evolution” is a word that has many definitions. Some are compatible with creationism and some aren’t. On your “Evolution is a Fact” series your are referring to evolution as contrasted with creationism. Even here specifically you claim that the situation of honeycreepers is a “impossible dilemma for creationism”

  Since you claim to be well read on creationism you should know that creationists accept what is often called speciation in their models. So (since you demand others answer questions) what is the “impossible dilemma” for creationism?
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  Evolution is a Fact #15 - Robinson Crusoe

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there are two sorts of islands.

  one sort provides powerful evidence of evolution at a species level.. firstly there are continental islands.

  these were once part of larger land masses but they were cut off by rising water levels or the movement of tectonic plates.

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  hooberus

  Cofty claims that “Evolution is a fact” and then proceeds to give threads like this as supposed proofs. He further claims that the situation that he describes on this thread is an “impossible dilemma for creationism” -yet won’t spell out the dilemma when challenged.

  Burden of proof is on him to explain his “impossible dilemma for creationism” that he claims.
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  Evolution is a Fact #15 - Robinson Crusoe

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there are two sorts of islands.

  one sort provides powerful evidence of evolution at a species level.. firstly there are continental islands.

  these were once part of larger land masses but they were cut off by rising water levels or the movement of tectonic plates.

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  hooberus

  How is Hawaii having “60 endemic species of honeycreepers” an “impossible dilemma for creationism”?

  What is the “impossible dilemma” that you claim?
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  Evolution is a Fact #15 - Robinson Crusoe

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there are two sorts of islands.

  one sort provides powerful evidence of evolution at a species level.. firstly there are continental islands.

  these were once part of larger land masses but they were cut off by rising water levels or the movement of tectonic plates.

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  hooberus

  Cofty you claim that it is an “impossible dilemma” for creationists?

  What is the impossible dilemma?

  I have asked this several times now.

  Just telling people that they don’t “understand” and that they need to re-read the topic isn’t much of a support for your claim of “impossible dilemma.”
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  Evolution is a Fact #15 - Robinson Crusoe

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there are two sorts of islands.

  one sort provides powerful evidence of evolution at a species level.. firstly there are continental islands.

  these were once part of larger land masses but they were cut off by rising water levels or the movement of tectonic plates.

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  hooberus

  Migration (from nearby mainland) is part of your scenarios.

  What is the “impossible dilemma” for creationists?
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  Evolution is a Fact #15 - Robinson Crusoe

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there are two sorts of islands.

  one sort provides powerful evidence of evolution at a species level.. firstly there are continental islands.

  these were once part of larger land masses but they were cut off by rising water levels or the movement of tectonic plates.

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  hooberus

  Cofty on another (summary) thread you wrote:

  #15 Robinson Crusoe
  

  The biogeography of oceanic islands presents an impossible dilemma for creationism.

  So what is the “impossible dilemma”?

  Does the “dilemma” assume that creationists don’t believe in or can’t use migration as a possible explanation?
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  Evolution is a Fact #15 - Robinson Crusoe

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there are two sorts of islands.

  one sort provides powerful evidence of evolution at a species level.. firstly there are continental islands.

  these were once part of larger land masses but they were cut off by rising water levels or the movement of tectonic plates.

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  hooberus

  These facts about biogeography is exactly what evolution would predict. It is down to chance which species make it to an oceanic island. Having arrived these Robinson Crusoe species thrive and evolve to fill many different ecological niches, and finally we will find their closest relatives on the nearest mainland.

  The challenge for creationists is to explain how all the species of birds, insects and plants came to be in the same place. Did god choose to create 60 similar species of honeycreepers and put them all on the same island?

  So are you saying that evolutionists can claim migration (from a nearby mainland) as an explanation for certain things, but creationists can’t use the same explanation?
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  Jesus as 'The mighty + almighty God'

  by JW Answers in

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  jehovah's witnesses refuse to believe that jesus is the almighty god.

  they would state that jesus is 'mighty', but not almighty.. below is a 30 minute video proving from the word of god that the lord jesus christ is both mighty and almighty, separate from the father but equal too.. the verses used from scripture show without a doubt that christ is mighty (isaiah 9:6) and almighty (rev 1:7-8)..

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  hooberus

  Slimboyfat,

  Do you disagree with the Watchtower on any point on their teachings on Jesus?
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  Jesus as 'The mighty + almighty God'

  by JW Answers in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah's witnesses refuse to believe that jesus is the almighty god.

  they would state that jesus is 'mighty', but not almighty.. below is a 30 minute video proving from the word of god that the lord jesus christ is both mighty and almighty, separate from the father but equal too.. the verses used from scripture show without a doubt that christ is mighty (isaiah 9:6) and almighty (rev 1:7-8)..

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  hooberus

  slimboyfat,

  Do you believe that Jesus is a man now?