Posts by Hyghlandyr

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Would you get baptized again?

by JH in

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i was baptized as a catholic, when i was very young, and then baptized in my late twenties as a jw.

which leads to my question.

if you joined another religion, would you get baptized again?

Hyghlandyr

Baptised as a baby in the catholic church.

Baptised as a pre-teen in the baptists (or was it lutherans?)

Baptised as a teen in the pentacostals.

Baptised in my twenties as a JW.

Now I am thirty-six, I think it is about time to be baptised again.

What though...hmmm Buddhist perhaps? Shinto? Shamanism?

Ive been having strong leanings towards shamanism in the past few years. Some of you may have noticed with my shape shifting comments, animal totems, irish religious connections and so forth. I will save baptism into my own created cult until my forties, since I have only four more or so years to go. But first I have to create the dogmas and holy books, and rituals and relics and all of that interesting stuff.

Would I get baptised again? Heck yea. I'd even do it in a christian church if they let me talk about Christ, whom I belive in, instead of Jesus, who I believe never even existed.

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Anyone have scans of College directives?

by Hyghlandyr in

i have been discussing with my current s.o.

's mother about the fact that jws were not supposed to go to college in the past...and in someplaces still are not supposed to.

she has family that are well placed jws, aka well to do.

Hyghlandyr

Thanks IZO,

unfortunately when I left cincinnati I left all of my publications...though my ex said she packed up my pioneer book with my diploma and other importants and a friend of mine picked them up from her. Hopefully I will get them soon. But all my old old OLD books, and I had a great many, are likely gone now forever. I will see when I get back to my friend who has my stuff. If so then I might have a young people ask book. In the meantime a scan would be appreciated by anyone willing and able, if not its cool and thanks for the help. I will keep trying:)

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WT federal money

by peacefulpete in

i just learned that the wt has recently begun a tv ad campaign to reimage themselves as family counselors.

does anyone have details about the content of these commercials?

is this new direction for the org.

Hyghlandyr

Ive seen some of the ads. They are on the watchtowers website jw-media.org, the link posted above by germanjw. Pay close attention, they are not about the watchtower getting money, they are about covering their bums in regards to the molestation issue, trying to make it appear that they are proactive in fighting against child molesters and in providing people with tools to recognize one and for a child to defend against one.

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Anyone have scans of College directives?

by Hyghlandyr in

i have been discussing with my current s.o.

's mother about the fact that jws were not supposed to go to college in the past...and in someplaces still are not supposed to.

she has family that are well placed jws, aka well to do.

Hyghlandyr

Lyin Eyes, Hello Goddess,

Ive been in cleveland. Getting ready to attend a community college this year. I might also start Over the Road truck driving. Not sure.

How'v things been with you? Good to hear from someone I know.

Not much been online lately though, nor postin nor chattin nor nor nor. It's sorta worn on me a wee bit. Kinda thinkin bout doin the hermit thing now...though it would be on the road:) A little alone time for some self relection.

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Anyone have scans of College directives?

by Hyghlandyr in

i have been discussing with my current s.o.

's mother about the fact that jws were not supposed to go to college in the past...and in someplaces still are not supposed to.

she has family that are well placed jws, aka well to do.

Hyghlandyr

wazup spanner long long time no see. Pop me a shout out.

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Anyone have scans of College directives?

by Hyghlandyr in

i have been discussing with my current s.o.

's mother about the fact that jws were not supposed to go to college in the past...and in someplaces still are not supposed to.

she has family that are well placed jws, aka well to do.

Hyghlandyr

I have been discussing with my current S.O.'s mother about the fact that JWs were not supposed to go to college in the past...and in someplaces still are not supposed to. She has family that are well placed JWs, aka well to do. Ive explained that there are double standards, for instance the Williams sisters can display their bodies but an average JW sister would be called into the library for displaying herself as they have. The mother I am talking to says that her family that are JWs ALL went to college. While she concedes that different congregations might do things different, she cannot believe that it was a stand of the JWs. This despite my telling her about the 1972? watchtower that called it the devil's propaganda. If any of you have references to literature that discusses the "dangers" of college attendance, and tries to discourage college attendance, I would appreciate quotes and scans if possible. Please quote the year of publication, the name, page, paragraph etc. Also the chapter would be good in case in a reprint the page number is different.

This link has some which I will use..but the more the better....

http://quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com/education.htm

and this one also of course:

http://quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com/1975.htm

Thanks in advance to the help yall. Goddess Bless. (Thyself)

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Cross vs. Stake: Does it REALLY friggin' matter?

by Funchback in

when did the wts become so infatuated with the cross vs. stake theory?

did they come up with this theory in order to say, "see?

we teach the truth!

Hyghlandyr

Even when I was a JW I didnt think he died on a pole. I thought that was ridiculous.

I wont hold it agin ya.

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Cross vs. Stake: Does it REALLY friggin' matter?

by Funchback in

when did the wts become so infatuated with the cross vs. stake theory?

did they come up with this theory in order to say, "see?

we teach the truth!

Hyghlandyr

Well he died on a cross-like object. His arms were certainly outstretched not directly over his head. The Romans executed people with crosses.

Um, most likely not. If he existed at all, he was most likely on a stage performing one of countless passion plays that were put on for audiences around the ancient world. Is there controversey? Not really... Most people, atheists and christians and others alike, blindly believe that this man actually existed. Just as there is no "evidence" that he died on a cross or a stake, there is also no evidence extant from the first century that verifies his existence. To further complicate things, any secular evidence exists from the eleventh century onward. Written prior to then? Maybe, though doubtful.

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Cross vs. Stake: Does it REALLY friggin' matter?

by Funchback in

when did the wts become so infatuated with the cross vs. stake theory?

did they come up with this theory in order to say, "see?

we teach the truth!

Hyghlandyr

Well the reason for that valis is that all the other religions are wrong. You see what sets our religion apart from everyone else's, is that their beliefs are false. They CLAIM to have the Christos who died on the stake or cross. But while the story of that Christos is almost identical to our Christos, their stories are just fantasy. After all it is silly to believe that THAT fable man who never existed could walk on water. OUR Christos though was real, and DID indeed walk on water, he did, verily he did, verily he was born, verily he lived, verily he walked, verily he was arrested, verily he died, verily he was ressurected...verily verily verily. To borrow from one of the Church Fathers...Ireneaus? Maybe it was someone else.

In answer to the question does it matter if it was a cross or a stake? Yes. Both are phallic symbols. But the cross has the addition of the testes. Thus it more fully represents the Christos. After all, you cannot annoint without the annointing,....."oil" and you cannot acquire such without the crossbeam, symbolically and literally of course.

I sense some perplexed looks? Well to bring you up on a bit of history, the word Christos simply meant annointed one. The annointed was not done with olive oil boys and girls. Christianity has its roots in phallic religion, earth centered sun worship. The sun being the ultimate phallus. And the literal phallus of the worshipper that had one, being a symbol of the sun. The annointing not being simply from the phallus either, but also from the moon, representative of the female. So yes cross vs stake does matter.

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Cross vs. Stake: Does it REALLY friggin' matter?

by Funchback in

when did the wts become so infatuated with the cross vs. stake theory?

did they come up with this theory in order to say, "see?

we teach the truth!

Hyghlandyr

Each belief of the watchtower society is carefully crafted to create an us vs them mentality. By causing members of other christian churches to seem like the "other" their attempts to evangelize the Witnesses can fall flat. The other in this case being relegated, as in many cases historically, to that of a demonized position. Consider these beliefs:

1...Michael dying on a stake instead of Jesus dying on a cross. The instances of christians believing the JW position is almost nil. Even in cases, however rare, that an organization believes in the stake position instead of the cross, they most certainly won't accept the michael theory. This is an immediate and easy red flag for Jehovahs Witnesses then that requires no effort on the part of their leaders once the doctrine is accepted. Visit someone else's congregation and the sight of the cross will immediately cause the Witness to dismiss the person and their congregation as being members of Satan's system, false worshipper, thus satan worshippers.

2...That is assuming the witness would accept the invitation to the person's congregation. Imagine a sunday meeting, and a member from another congregation approaches a witness and invites the witness to visit his congregation next wensday. How excited the witness would be. Now take the same invitation and use a slightly older version of the word congregation, "church." Instantly the person and their belief is demonized.

3...Birthdays, Christmas, Thanksgiving, Flag Day, Memorial Day, Samhain, Mother's Day. Satan inspired, controlled and run. Attempts by christians, false christians, to lead true christians away from Jehovah's Visible Organization. Friend's Day though is ok. I know some of you will say friend's day is like a birthday, but it isnt. For instance it usually occurs a couple days before or after ones birthday. Second the presents are not required, unless you go to the party, of course. Anniversarys are ok. Please do not do as I did and request not to be given a graduation party, or to receive graduation gifts. Because those are ok.

4...Door to door being the keystone of the preaching work. Seriously? Does anyone really believe that this man-god-son-of-god-fable actually had to go door to door to get folks to listen to him? The dude who healed thousands? tens of thousands? raised the dead? He needed to knock on doors? Now knockin on doors is cool. I had lots of fun doin it. But that isnt a mark of a true christian, compared to a christian say who runs a mission? Or another who assists with a youth group? Which as we all know is in itself a sign of being a false christian, a part of satans visible organization.

5...Marraige or dating outside the group. Ghastly.

6...Are the Adam's family really that bad? If you do not think so, just watch the reaction of a child raised as a witness, even before baptism, when asked to watch it or something similar at a school mate's home.

Each belief, designed to create an instant emotional reaction, an intense apprehension of the other. Thus demonized, proper conduct, understood to mean remaining in the group and under its control, is assured.

The history of the cross has its roots in pegan crap and I don't suppose, just as the WT points out, its use in worship brings any glory to God.

Of course the history of the cross is pagan. The entire christian myth is a rehashing of far more ancient myths told the world over for thousands, perhaps tens of thousands, of years. It should not be expected then that the fable borrows from other fables?