Posts by Hobo Ken

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Full transcripts of judicial case.

by Hobo Ken in

in january 2009 i was disfellowshipped from jw's.

i documented the whole process and recorded it which you can find here:- death or obedience.

many people asked for english transcripts of these recordings and i'm pleased to say i now have full transcripts kindly supplied anonymously for those who wish to read them.. these will be of great help to those who have trouble hearing or cannot understand the scottish accents on the recordings.. they are available here:- the trial of a jehovah's witness the new site has it's own audio link for each transcript so you can listen along as you read.. the person who has supplied me is interested in the moral and ethical issues this case has thrown up.

Hobo Ken

@pirata if you want to fade or stay in that's the route to take I thought I was getting kicked so I made the most of it to help others.

@junkyarddog Thanks. Well it wasn't easy to stay cool and remain focussed but it helped knowing they were kind of lost from the start. Hope the transcripts help with accents!!! lol

@dozy Correct it's never a court of law in a million years, or should that be a thousand? , and ultimately they are cowards who can't face dissent even if it is logically presented by people they've known since birth. I hope as you say it becomes required reading for those in our position.

Thanks all for support and comments.

Matt

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Full transcripts of judicial case.

by Hobo Ken in

in january 2009 i was disfellowshipped from jw's.

i documented the whole process and recorded it which you can find here:- death or obedience.

many people asked for english transcripts of these recordings and i'm pleased to say i now have full transcripts kindly supplied anonymously for those who wish to read them.. these will be of great help to those who have trouble hearing or cannot understand the scottish accents on the recordings.. they are available here:- the trial of a jehovah's witness the new site has it's own audio link for each transcript so you can listen along as you read.. the person who has supplied me is interested in the moral and ethical issues this case has thrown up.

Hobo Ken

@sabastious

Smacks of a secret society or a cult?

Matt

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Full transcripts of judicial case.

by Hobo Ken in

in january 2009 i was disfellowshipped from jw's.

i documented the whole process and recorded it which you can find here:- death or obedience.

many people asked for english transcripts of these recordings and i'm pleased to say i now have full transcripts kindly supplied anonymously for those who wish to read them.. these will be of great help to those who have trouble hearing or cannot understand the scottish accents on the recordings.. they are available here:- the trial of a jehovah's witness the new site has it's own audio link for each transcript so you can listen along as you read.. the person who has supplied me is interested in the moral and ethical issues this case has thrown up.

Hobo Ken

@Mr freeze

I had no real hope that an appeal would be successful so at least the recording of such might help others.

The only reason for wanting to stay in would be to have some contact with family.

Matt.

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Full transcripts of judicial case.

by Hobo Ken in

in january 2009 i was disfellowshipped from jw's.

i documented the whole process and recorded it which you can find here:- death or obedience.

many people asked for english transcripts of these recordings and i'm pleased to say i now have full transcripts kindly supplied anonymously for those who wish to read them.. these will be of great help to those who have trouble hearing or cannot understand the scottish accents on the recordings.. they are available here:- the trial of a jehovah's witness the new site has it's own audio link for each transcript so you can listen along as you read.. the person who has supplied me is interested in the moral and ethical issues this case has thrown up.

Hobo Ken

In January 2009 I was disfellowshipped from JW's. I documented the whole process and recorded it which you can find here:- Death or obedience

Many people asked for english transcripts of these recordings and I'm pleased to say I now have full transcripts kindly supplied anonymously for those who wish to read them.

These will be of great help to those who have trouble hearing or cannot understand the Scottish accents on the recordings.

They are available here:- The trial of a Jehovah's Witness The new site has it's own audio link for each transcript so you can listen along as you read.

The person who has supplied me is interested in the moral and ethical issues this case has thrown up. They will supply content as such via essay and text commentary.

I hope you guys find it of some help and please feel free to copy the link anywhere you see fit or send via email.

Thanks

Matt.

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Who really is Michael the Archangel?

by theMadJW in

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http://www.themadjws.com/whoismichael.htm.

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let me know what you think- for i will be adding to the info!.

Hobo Ken

Madjw"That is YOUR conclusion and opinion- which I have found to be false."

So do you care to substantiate just why you have found my statement to be false?

Here are a few examples of uncertainties in the Bible.

Where exactly was the garden of eden? (i'm sure you'll recall the question mark on the map at the back of the NWT)

Why does Bible Chronology point towards mankind being on earth for approximately 6000 years when all available evidence from all feilds shows mankind to have been here for more than 100,000 years at least?

Why does the Bible describe an earth wide flood 4000 years ago when there is no geological eveidence whatsoever of this?

Since there are extinct animals approximately 30,000-40,000 years old in some glaciers which themselves have been there far longer how does that fit in with the idea the earth used to be sub tropical globally as described in the Bible?

Where is the historical and archaeological evidence of 3million people leaving Egypt as described in the Bible book of exodus?

Who was melchizedek?

When do the "last days" begin?

What is the relevance of the "gentile times"?

What do all the Numbers in Revelation and Daniel mean?

I could go on.

The problem is organisations such as Jehovah's Witnesses either think they have all these answers or they just ignore any contrary evidence, preferring to believe solely in the Bible as though it has all the answers.

There is nothing wrong in having a faith or beleif in Jesus but this must be tempered with the fact that the source of what we know about his life and why he was meant to be here comes from a book with many unanswered questions and things we may never understand.

The fact there is a thread on this forum in 2010 so long after Jesus lived where people are arguing whether he is the same person as Michael surely more than adequately proves my point.

You ask who can you trust today?

I say trust yourself first and foremost and don't go into anything blind or if you are already part of something, choose to ignore relevant information.

Matt

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The facts on crucifixion, stauros, and the "torture stake"

by Leolaia in

finally, i will look at biblical and patristic evidence bearing on the crucifixion of jesus in particular.

we need to examine the earliest known descriptions of the kind of crucifixion adopted by the romans and the specific terms they used to refer to it.

apparently the society believes that crux still meant "stake" in the second century a.d., when tacitus composed his annals.

Hobo Ken

Nice points JWfacts. Doesn't the Bible in Revelation describe the actual WORSHIP of Jesus in the symbollic form of a Lamb?

This can't be idolatry since it's in the Bible, but then a lamb is all fluffy and cute , nothing like "an instrument of torture".........

Matt

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The facts on crucifixion, stauros, and the "torture stake"

by Leolaia in

finally, i will look at biblical and patristic evidence bearing on the crucifixion of jesus in particular.

we need to examine the earliest known descriptions of the kind of crucifixion adopted by the romans and the specific terms they used to refer to it.

apparently the society believes that crux still meant "stake" in the second century a.d., when tacitus composed his annals.

Hobo Ken

Well put Kenneson.

Matt.

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HELP REQUEST - Judicial Committee Hearing tonight!

by SweetBabyCheezits in

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i hate to ask you good folks to jump around but the first post in the thread below explains why i'm going into the jc meeting, hence the basis for my questions below.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/198636/1/reply-to-judicial-committee-question-thenoblelodge.

i have no idea how to present my witnesses.

they've already agreed to show up.

Hobo Ken

Ok I see. That means that some of them aren't sure about DF'ing you and others are.

Hope it works out the way you want.

Btw I recorded all my meetings with them including judicial and the appeal.

Here's my website with all the blogs and and recordings. death or obedience

Hope it's of some help.

matt.

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The facts on crucifixion, stauros, and the "torture stake"

by Leolaia in

finally, i will look at biblical and patristic evidence bearing on the crucifixion of jesus in particular.

we need to examine the earliest known descriptions of the kind of crucifixion adopted by the romans and the specific terms they used to refer to it.

apparently the society believes that crux still meant "stake" in the second century a.d., when tacitus composed his annals.

Hobo Ken

Are you being deliberately obtuse Jonah?

The point in leo's thread is to show that the Watchtower society, specifically J.F. Rutherford, has misrepresented the information at hand for their own reasons.

They are intellectually dishonest in the way they present their teachings and beliefs in the pages of their literature particularly when they reference other sources.

The "issue" of the cross is one created by the WTS themselves to distinguish them from "pagan" Christendom.

Whether we should be wearing crosses or not is another issue entirely. The fact the organisation says we shouldn't is irrelevant at best.

What right do they have to tell anyone what to do when they are guilty of the lies , cover-ups, misrepresentations and distortion of facts?

The thread is to prove that they have employed these very tactics in relation to their claim that Jesus died on a stake not a cross.

Matt

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HELP REQUEST - Judicial Committee Hearing tonight!

by SweetBabyCheezits in

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friends

i hate to ask you good folks to jump around but the first post in the thread below explains why i'm going into the jc meeting, hence the basis for my questions below.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/198636/1/reply-to-judicial-committee-question-thenoblelodge.

i have no idea how to present my witnesses.

they've already agreed to show up.

Hobo Ken

How can you come out of a Judicial and not be told the verdict?

Are they not supposed to tell you at the end what they have decided?

Matt