Posts by winstonchurchill

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Brilliant Talk Yesterday

by Violet in

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just thought i would share this.........a brother who used to be a mercenary before he came into the truth gave the talk at the hall yesterday and he said that the bible was like jehovah's cv.....it told us everything about him.....so we can really know him.. he also said with all the governments and all the rules and regulations in the world, and nothing working at the moment, we should appreciate that jehovah only has 2 laws.............love him above all other things, and love our neighbours..........if only the whole world obeyed those 2 laws there would be peace without the need for armageddon................so its all down to humans why things are going wrong.. if we abandoned the planet tomorrow the earth would repair itself and there would be peace and harmony in nature.......... man has really messed up.. thank goodness we have had the chance to know jehivah and have a hope for the future!!.

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winstonchurchill

And...

1) Men can't grow a beard

2) Women can't wear women's pants

3) Can't participate in a toast

4) Can't say "bless you" when someone sneezes

5) Can't watch R rated movies

6) Can't participate in oral sex

7) Don't get involved in 'worldly' charities

8) Can have all blood fractions, but not whole blood

9) Can't study, investigate or discuss privately

10) Turn in a monthly report

11) ...

Should I go on?????

NONE of the above is mandated/prohibited in the Bible. Yet they are fully enforced by JW's.

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I'm 43 Today

by cantleave in

and it's my first birthday.

winstonchurchill

Wait! We have to behead someone!

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To Current and Former Elders

by Styxx in

i wanted to say a few things to current and former elders.

it was really a post by alltimejeff on 10/1/2009 that got me thinking about this and i address a few things that he says here.

but i dont want to single him out because i really think that he is typical of many, and he did in fact apologize for his actions at the end of his post.

winstonchurchill

"Adolf Hitler assembled the greatest military machine the world has ever seen. On the simple level of force, his military was unbeatable; yet he could not defeat a tiny island across the English Channel because of the power expressed by Winston Churchill,

Hey, maybe that's why I chose this nick!

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To Current and Former Elders

by Styxx in

i wanted to say a few things to current and former elders.

it was really a post by alltimejeff on 10/1/2009 that got me thinking about this and i address a few things that he says here.

but i dont want to single him out because i really think that he is typical of many, and he did in fact apologize for his actions at the end of his post.

winstonchurchill

I always got the sense that the GB really didn't like the elder arrangement and COs in particular REALLY don't like most of the local elders.

100% right. That's why CO's tend to work with juts one guy. They may meet with all, they may pat in the back some, but when it's serious business they deal with one or two (usually the PO and the Sec). I even have a formula for this: The more old-school the CO is, the more he tends to do that. Only newer, more open CO's (not a lot of those) deal with the whole BOE.

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To Current and Former Elders

by Styxx in

i wanted to say a few things to current and former elders.

it was really a post by alltimejeff on 10/1/2009 that got me thinking about this and i address a few things that he says here.

but i dont want to single him out because i really think that he is typical of many, and he did in fact apologize for his actions at the end of his post.

winstonchurchill

Billy: Probably right; Styxx sounds like a disgruntled JW who hasn't received "privileges'

OldSeeker: It's true any elder acts limited by the WTS boundaries, but I think the attitude (big ego, power trips, etc.) does make things worse. While it's not the (main) reason I'm still in, and certainly I'm not even thinking of a "change from the inside", I have found I can make a lot of good for rank and files and curb some fellow elder's abusive attitudes.

Purps: Absolutely right about the organization losing gems. When I inquire about the circuits I used to serve, I'm appaled to hear the news of the best, more capable and loving elders steping down (or leaving for good), and the most mediocre ones being in charge. I think that speaks a lot about the organization.

I said it before, and I'll say it again: ATJ is someone I'd like to sit with to chat and quaf some beers.

OTWO: Some elders do think ouside the box, and are not 'Do-More' maniacs. But you are right, it is an insignificant minority.

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To Current and Former Elders

by Styxx in

i wanted to say a few things to current and former elders.

it was really a post by alltimejeff on 10/1/2009 that got me thinking about this and i address a few things that he says here.

but i dont want to single him out because i really think that he is typical of many, and he did in fact apologize for his actions at the end of his post.

winstonchurchill

Yes, Besty, you just asked a question. I wasn't referring to that. Check what other poster asked and tell me if he made a honest question or was trying to make fun and belittle Styxx. That's the 'level of debate' that makes me go away for a few weeks.

About age, you are exactly right; ages gives us wisdom (well.. not always). But certainly I like to think than nearing 50 I'm not the know-it-all pr**k i was at 25. However, I disagree with whomever won't even listen to somebody, just because of young-age. What makes a 20ish elder dumb is being a dumb-JW-Elder, not being 26! If a 20 something kid is at my porch to tell me something, I listen, then disagree. What if the elder 'counseling' or shepherding one is 60? Would that make me listen?

But, hey, That's just me! Like ATJ I highly regret how much of a militant I was and how much damage I had a part in. I'd like to write about it one of these days. Maybe I will.

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To Current and Former Elders

by Styxx in

i wanted to say a few things to current and former elders.

it was really a post by alltimejeff on 10/1/2009 that got me thinking about this and i address a few things that he says here.

but i dont want to single him out because i really think that he is typical of many, and he did in fact apologize for his actions at the end of his post.

winstonchurchill

I read ATJ's post and I can related to it, as it describes almost perfectly my feelings upon becoming an elder and later a CO. I tend to agree with him on his opinions. Of course not in everything.But I don't have a problem with that.

What's interesting is the way Styxx starts his post. See, I have this rule by which, when someone starts witha desclaimer, I think that person is about to do or say the exact thing he's saying he won't: "I'm not saying that you..."; I'm not comparing you to...". He starts by saying: "But I don’t want to single him out because..."

And then he devotes a few paragraphs precisely to doing that: single out ATJ as the cause of all suffering. Funny, because he also admits that ATJ did apologize for such behavior. So what else do you want? AH, Bad karma!

So what's the point Styxx? You gonna go after a guy who had the guts to leave, change his point of view, admit it publicly and voluntarily? Why don't you go and say all that to elders currenty serving, who are RIGHT NOW doing what you despise so much?

SO, to put in perspective, ATJ just said "I did this and that, should've known better, I regret it, I apologize"; Then Styxx comes and tries to beat him and wish bad karma on him. When he shows the nuts to go and tell that to a couple of active elders, then I'll listen.

I want to add, I've read a lot of nonesense in this thread. You guys really believe someone who is younger can't give you advise?Is that your wide-open vision of life: I'm older, so I know better? Your best argument against Styxx is that at 19 he joined a cult? Last time I checked, this place is full of people who, at one point in their lives 'joined the cult'.

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Opening Pandora's Box - By Barbara Anderson

by flipper in

barbara wanted me to ost this information about her discussion at a seminar which was held in europe first, then chicago just a week or two ago.

you'll find this link interesting.

all comments welcome.

winstonchurchill

PS, Yeah, kids are a totally different story. I know I would refuse blood on elective surgery, and probably fight a transfusion even in an emergency... well less and less sure everyday.

But when I think of my kids, man, I would not refuse any treatment that gives me hope of saving them. If it means being kicked out, shunned, even left by wife, I would consider it worth just to save my precious children.

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Opening Pandora's Box - By Barbara Anderson

by flipper in

barbara wanted me to ost this information about her discussion at a seminar which was held in europe first, then chicago just a week or two ago.

you'll find this link interesting.

all comments welcome.

winstonchurchill

PS, your replies sound as if we didn't (mostly) agree, but we do. I'm just being devil's advocate to show how biased we can be if we don't watch out.

I slightly differ on the motives behind many (i didn't say 'all', or 'most') blood transfusions. Health care, especialy here in the US is business. Yes, I think too often doctors just prescribe transfusions without solid reasons.

What you say is truth about most procedures going wrong in some cases. Even vaccines under fire these days. But agreed thet we cannot just stop getting health care because of the risks.

As for choices should be individual, not imposed, i already said I agree. However if an INDIVIDUAL wants to decide based on scripture, or doctrine or on a dream he had last night, that his/her choice. No one should interfere. IF JW's want to teach their interpretation of the bible, and some people buy it, and make an individual choice, that's fine. The problem is enforcing punishment for those who don't agree.

As an example: Amish don't get vaccines. I disagree, but thet's heir choice.

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Opening Pandora's Box - By Barbara Anderson

by flipper in

barbara wanted me to ost this information about her discussion at a seminar which was held in europe first, then chicago just a week or two ago.

you'll find this link interesting.

all comments welcome.

winstonchurchill

Not sure what "blood guilt" the RCC has...unless you are referring to the crusades and all that other crap

Not that far, but let me put it this way: Ruanda. And I'm not getting my facts from Awake! but from UN and ONG's. I could cite more examples, but let's not miss the point: JW's are what they are, but let's not get too close to those who are not better.

You probably know that thousands die every year due con contaminated blood. Of course, I wouldn't use that to campaign againts transfusions. But I'm just trying to have all the facts before jumping to conclusions juts out of hate for JW's.

Bloodless surgery is on the rise because we have much better technology too, we can cut and cauterize much better than even 10 years ago.

Agreed 100%. I didn't say it was because of God's blessing or any other weird reason. My point is: If medical science is trying to get away from blood transfusions because is safer and because it's cheaper, and because we have better techonlogy... are we going to glorify blood transfusions just to go against JW's?

Balance is my keyword