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  More time talking to each other or householders in the field: You decide......

  by dissed in

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  the jw's annual report has lots of numbers to consider, but this one is probably the most misquoted and misrepresented by them.. 1, 500, 000, 000 hours in the field (note: that's time in the field, not talking to interested ones).

  now, they can write their own rules on how to fill out a field service report.

  door to door - 8 hours (480 minutes) using the 'dissed rule' of 10% that's 48 minutes of actual talking in the field per month.

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  winstonchurchill

  1) Fake time: Most publishers fill their slips after meetings, without looking at any written record. They grab a slip, get a pen, ad then get creative. They make it up. I know several who only go out on saturdays, leave for a two week cruise, miss another saturday due to rain, and then report the same hours as every month.

  2) In Urban U.S. in any given month you get to talk to -at most- 5 or 6 people going door to door. Conversations are not very long.

  3) Streetwork: shameful! most don't talk to anyobody but each other. Some place a couple of magazines. I go on streetwork twice a week at least 3 of the regulars I have never seen talk to anybody. There's one that has never even placed a magazine. He just goes and chats for an hour.

  4) Family Study: WTS changed its long time rule and now allows both parents to count the time. This right there doubles time for most parents, and shows how desperate WTS is to boost numbers.

  6) Phone: One talks, 20 watch, all count the time. I know a couple that admits they got for the cookies and coffee; they have NEVER preached to anyone over the phone. This is becoming the most popular for of preaching in our congregation.

  Bottom line: It's all about producing hollow, fake numbers
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  So what's in it for the WTS?

  by leec in

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  i'm still just trying to understand ..... what is the real essence of why the leaders at the very core of this religion do what they do?

  i assume they are all in the 144k, so i get that.

  but i mean ... that can't be the entire motivation for all this misery.

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  Motivation varies widely. But the WTS s a train in march. Anyone on board is either oblivious to the flaws and sincere, or aware but with motivation to stay: fear, doubts, ego satisfaction, empowerment, money, position, prestige.... you name it. In any case, such people are aware they won't be able to 'stop the train' (and as I said, most don't want it to stop).

  An analogy, for the sake of clarity: What's in it for the Pope? Ratzinger is arguably the most intelectually prepared Pope of the last 200 years. Doesn't he know they are wrong on many levels? The other day he dared sais the truth about the "Three Magician Kings" (i.e. Not three, not Kings, etc.) and a lot of conservative Catholics went mad. This guy HAS to know half their teachings are pagan stuff. But is a 2,000 years train in march. He ain't gonna stop it. Don't expect him to come out any day soon saying "You know, Jesus wasn't born on Dec 25, so let's nix Christmas"; or "Guys, noweer in the Bible it says clergy can't marry, so let's start dating"... It ain't gonna happen.

  To me WTS is pretty much the same: it became mainstream. It won't change. Inertia is the keyword. People who are too vested into the organization won't let it go.
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  "Secret Watchtower" - No, there is NO Secret Watchtower

  by RubaDub in

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  so as not to hijack other threads, i still can't understand why people keep referring to the new, "members only" watchtower as "secret?".

  if you go to the meeting, you will get a copy.

  if you have a family member, you can get a copy.

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  winstonchurchill

  JW's drink red Koolaid, 'conspiracy theorist' here drink purple Koolaid.

  If you still qualify a magazine that's made available for general download from a public web site, as 'secret', this is only proof that JW's don't have the monopoly on stupid people!
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  Question for JW - Why do you have a "secret" WT edition?

  by Albert Einstein in

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  recently i asked my wife: if our son one day comes home and says "well, i just joined new religion, we study a publication there, that iam not allowed to show anybody..." how would you feel?

  does it sound like a cult?.

  wife admitted: that would be scarry..... me: so why do jw have secret wt edition to study, that noone else is supposed to get?.

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  Hello, Golden!
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  "Secret Watchtower" - No, there is NO Secret Watchtower

  by RubaDub in

  1. jw
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  so as not to hijack other threads, i still can't understand why people keep referring to the new, "members only" watchtower as "secret?".

  if you go to the meeting, you will get a copy.

  if you have a family member, you can get a copy.

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  Mad Sweeney, I'm too tired (or to lazy) to look up the reference, but the KM-s Instructions clearly state that non-publishers that regularly attend, as well as non-publisher young ones can have a copy. I personally give every month a KM to people that attend but are not publishers yet. Maybe Blondie (the queen of WT research) can help me here.

  As for the study Watchtower, you are right in that some congos don't have enough. furthermore, some elders are kind of militant about the study issue being for JW's only. But since that's not the official instruction, in many congregations a small supply of spares is kept for visitors. In any case the point I was trying to make is that either publication is secret; they are just 'intended' for JW's, but can be given to those making progress and attending (sorry, I have to go puke after repeating that WT jargoon)
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  "Secret Watchtower" - No, there is NO Secret Watchtower

  by RubaDub in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so as not to hijack other threads, i still can't understand why people keep referring to the new, "members only" watchtower as "secret?".

  if you go to the meeting, you will get a copy.

  if you have a family member, you can get a copy.

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  winstonchurchill

  I said in another thread, and I'll repeat:

  1) Not secret: Those non-JW attending sundays get a copy. You can dowload it @ jw.org

  2) JW's ca't keep anything secret. No publication has been 'protected' as much as ks91 (Elder's handbook), and the thing is all over the internet.

  3) The 'two-issues' thing has nothing to do with secrecy, or better serving, or all that bull crap they said: its about COST. They used to print 30 millions of copies of 24 issues a year, and nobody was buying. With the new scheme, they print only 7 or 8 millions of the 'study edition'. That's a reduction of roughly 35% with the consequential savings (less trasnportation, less storage space, etc.)
  It was a corporate decision, not a spiritual one.

  I have not seen or heard ANY instruction saying others are banned from seeing it. If a newbie walks into the KH on a given sunday, he's given a copy.

  Someone said that KM is only for active publishers. Wrong. People attending on a regular basis and children are also given one.

  If I'm not a member of the "Association of People who hate Jay Leno", why should I get their newsletter? C'mon! Stop seeing ghosts! There's plenty of funded reasons to criticize the WTS, so drop this nonesense.
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  Question for JW - Why do you have a "secret" WT edition?

  by Albert Einstein in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  recently i asked my wife: if our son one day comes home and says "well, i just joined new religion, we study a publication there, that iam not allowed to show anybody..." how would you feel?

  does it sound like a cult?.

  wife admitted: that would be scarry..... me: so why do jw have secret wt edition to study, that noone else is supposed to get?.

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  winstonchurchill

  1) Not secret: Those non-JW attending sundays get a copy. You can dowload it @ jw.org

  2) JW's ca't keep anything secret. No publication has been 'protected' as much as ks91 (Elder's handbook), and the thing is all over the internet.

  3) The 'two-issues' thing has nothing to do with secrecy, or better serving, or all that bull crap they said: its about COST. They used to print 30 millions of copies of 24 issues a year, and nobody was buying. With the new scheme, they print only 7 or 8 millions of the 'study edition'. That's a reduction of roughly 35% with the consequential savings (less trasnportation, less storage space, etc.)
  It was a corporate decision, not a spiritual one.
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  Name Some Stupid Watchtower Rules or Ideas

  by minimus in

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  there's a lot.. one rule that is dumb is that a brother must wear a suit for a sunday public talk that he is giving.

  any other time, the brother could wear a suit coat with a different pair of pants and not be counseled for it.. another dumb idea is that you cannot date a person unless you seriously might marry them.

  if you're on a date, you were supposed to always have a chaperone and holding hands might not be allowed as well as sitting together.. what other dumb rules and ideas can you add?.

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  winstonchurchill

  Don't sit in the same seat for every meeting. Doing so shows poor spirituality.

  No jeans during assemblies, even to go out for dinner at night.

  Don't wear perfume to assembles; it maight trigger allergies.

  Can't put your hand around your spouse's waist or shoulder during prayer.

  Don't give kids crayons and/or painting books during meetings; they are suppossed to liste and learn (even if they're 1 1/2)
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  underling++ = spirtuality++

  by highdose in

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  dos anyone remember how the dubs used to try and show how spirtual they were by how much they had underlined their watchtower?.

  this also happened to their bibles too, i saw one that was almost unreadable due to the mass of neon coloured highlighters and scribbles in the margin, myself i used to think "oooh they must be sooo spirtual!

  " but really... how hard is it to agree with brain washing when your brain washed yourself?

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  I have actually conducted the WT study many times without even reading the damn thing.

  Same here! BTW, I feel I do it better when I haven't 'prepared'. When they'd ask me last minute "Hey, can you do the WT today?", I'd say yes, then I'd remember I didn't underline. Sometimes I'd go to the restrooms, and underline some ideas, but lately I've said, what the heck! Let them think what they will.
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  Who Writes WT Study Articles?

  by monkeyman in

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  ok, i have to admit that i thoroughly enjoyed the wt study yesterday nov 1 about adopting jesus' personality.. it was far from the ho hum studies that focuses on fs.. my question is..............who writes the wt study articles?

  this one was definitely written by someone other than the last 50 or so articles.. so is there anyone out there who knows how these articles are submitted.

  there is a famous article written back in the late 90's dealing with depression.

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  David Ianelli

  I remember in a previous post Barbara Anderson mentioned this guy, as he one who wrote "All Scriptures..." book, which has to be one of the best -if not the best- book ever published by WTS.